[Lnc-business] AMENDMENT - Re: Motion for the July 15th 2012 LNC meeting - moment of reflection (Seconded / Amendment to motion)

[Geoffrey Neale]

Sorry for the delay in responding to this.

As to the following from Starchild:

	I further move to amend the motion as follows: That the entire
template be labeled as a suggested way of ordering the agenda, and not a
binding rule.

I am ruling your "motion" out of order, for three reasons.  

First is that my text you are seeking to amend is not a motion, it is a
request to place a motion on the agenda, so it is not amendable prior to the
point on the agenda when the main motion is actually introduced, and if it
is seconded.  Once on the floor, your amendment can be offered without any
"previous notice".

Second is that I find the amendment to be consistent with interpreting the
existing Policy Manual language, and as such to insert the language is to
insert redundancy.  The Policy Manual specifies the format of the PROPOSED
AGTENDA, and does not become the official agenda until approved by the
entire LNC.  As such it is not binding in any way, shape or form upon the
order in which the LNC conducts its business.  The only constraint is on the
format in which the Chair proposes the initial agenda.

Third I find that the intent of the amendment is out of scope of the text I
submitted, and can and should be considered separately and independently
from my motion. 

As such, this will not be placed on the "proposed" agenda, but you are free
to move to place it on the agenda at the LNC meeting.

Geoffrey Neale
Chair
Libertarian Party

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Starchild
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 1:46 PM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Subject: [Lnc-business] AMENDMENT - Re: Motion for the July 15th 2012 LNC
meeting - moment of reflection (Seconded / Amendment to motion)

	Second. If we're going to have an opening ceremony, it seems to me
that it ought to be something specifically liberty-affirming, but having
such a ceremony makes more sense for a large gathering like an LP convention
than for a Libertarian National Committee meeting. 

	I also question the need for the chair to be bound to a particular
template when it comes to setting meeting agendas, so long as there is fair
opportunity for everyone's items to be included. This template is the kind
of thing that has stretched the LNC Policy Manual to 72 pages.

	I further move to amend the motion as follows: That the entire
template be labeled as a suggested way of ordering the agenda, and not a
binding rule.

	In my view, Policy Manual provisions which we believe should be
permanent binding rules ought to be added to the Bylaws, where party
delegates can vote on them, and the manual itself should consist of the
rules which each LNC passes to make binding on itself, for that LNC term
only. If we allow these rules to be binding on all future committees, I
believe we will continue to see the Policy Manual mushroom in size, and that
it will increasingly pose the danger of constituting an end-run around the
Bylaws and the proper power of the delegates to oversee the party. After a
given term of the LNC, all its rules could remain in the Policy Manual, but
simply be downgraded to recommendations.

Love & Liberty,
                                ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative,
Libertarian National Committee


On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:

> I move that the following section of the Policy Manual (1.02.2) under
"Opening Ceremony":
>  
> "Moment of Reflection"
>  
> Be deleted.
>  
> My reasons - I find no business value to the LP for this being placed on
the "template" agenda.  Every member of the LNC and the gallery have ample
opportunity to reflect as long as they want, for whatever reason they want,
whenever they want, outside the confines of the agenda.
>  
> Geoffrey Neale
>  
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