[Lnc-business] [Lnc-discuss] Email Ballot 2014-08: Oregon Resolution

Fri Jul 18 15:19:16 EDT 2014

Our affiliate is the Libertarian Party of Oregon.  Who the Chair of
the Libertarian Party of Oregon is has been adjudicated by the Oregon
courts.  As a party, we do not affiliate with individuals, we
affiliate with other organizations.

-Nick

On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 12:56 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
> The LNC can only disaffiliate a group that is an affiliate.  To say we are
> allowed to disaffiliate the Wagner group is like saying a guy has to divorce
> a woman he never married in the first place just because she claims to be
> his wife.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> A couple of points of information:
>>
>> Decisions of the convention delegates can not be appealed to our
>> Judicial Committee.  Nobody has the authority to act contrary to the
>> convention, nor is a resolution an act.
>>
>> The situation on the ground in Oregon is actually rather
>> uncomplicated.  Wagner is the Chair of the Libertarian Party of
>> Oregon.  As an Oregon political party, it is regulated by Oregon state
>> law.  Reeves brought an unsuccessful lawsuit to ask the Oregon courts
>> to rule that he is the Chair.  Reeves is appealing that loss.  In the
>> interim, the Libertarian Party of Oregon has ballot access and will
>> nominate +/- 50 candidates this election cycle.
>>
>> Lastly, there's nothing in the bylaws that allows the LNC to resolve a
>> dispute about who is Chair in Oregon or what the proper bylaws are.
>> The bylaws are explicit about the LNC not being allowed to abridge the
>> autonomy of a state affiliate.  The LNC is allowed to disaffiliate
>> from a state affiliate for cause.  That is the only action available
>> to the LNC.
>>
>> -Nick
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:25 AM, Ron Windeler <rowindeler at aol.com> wrote:
>> >                 Some, perhaps a majority of the LNC do not feel that an
>> > apology, or even an expression of regret is appropriate in regards to
>> > either
>> > group claiming to be the LPO.  Those that do are free to apologize,
>> > express
>> > their regrets, or get down on their knees and beg forgiveness if they
>> > want
>> > to.
>> >                 Many of us believe that the members of the convention
>> > are
>> > the most important arbitrators of our bylaws and the LNC should take no
>> > action that conflicts with their decisions.  If someone thinks that the
>> > convention acted improperly, their appropriate remedy would be an appeal
>> > or
>> > other complaint to our JC.  The LNC doesn’t have the authority to act
>> > contrary to the convention.
>> >                 Passing either of the Oregon motions will not resolve
>> > the
>> > situation, only complicate it.  There are at least two paths forward to
>> > a
>> > unified LPO.  One is my proposal that the competing chairmen both resign
>> > voluntarily and the remaining officers of both groups hold a special
>> > convention to elect a new, undisputed LPO group of officers. The other
>> > would
>> > be for the LNC to accept the decision of the Oregon JC that the Reeves
>> > group
>> > is the legitimate LPO.  I favor the second solution, as it gives the
>> > most
>> > respect to the state party.
>> >
>> > Ron Windeler
>> > rowindeler at aol.com
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Norm Olsen <region1rep at doneDad.com>
>> > To: lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>> > Sent: Sun, Jul 13, 2014 9:18 pm
>> > Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2014-08: Oregon Resolution
>> >
>> > Aye!
>> >
>> > Norm
>> > --
>> > Norman T Olsen
>> > Regional Representative, Region I
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > 7931 S Broadway, PMB 102
>> > Littleton, Colorado  80122-2710
>> > 303-263-4995
>> > Norman.Olsen at lp.org
>> >
>> > "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you,
>> > then
>> > you win." -- Gandhi
>> >
>> > From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
>> > Alicia Mattson
>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:01 AM
>> > To: lnc-business at lp.org
>> > Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2014-08: Oregon Resolution
>> >
>> > We have an electronic mail ballot.
>> >
>> > Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 19, 2014 at 11:59:59pm
>> > Pacific time.
>> >
>> > Sponsor:  Chair Nick Sarwark
>> >
>> > Motion:
>> > Whereas, the Bylaws of the Libertarian Party state that “delegates to a
>> > Regular Convention shall be selected by a method adopted by each
>> > affiliate
>> > party” (Article 11, 3 (b)), and
>> >
>> > Whereas, the Bylaws of the Libertarian Party state that “each
>> > state-level
>> > affiliate party shall, in accordance with its own Bylaws and these
>> > Bylaws,
>> > determine who shall be its delegates to all Regular Conventions.”
>> > (Article
>> > 6, 3), and
>> >
>> > Whereas, the Bylaws of the Libertarian Party state that “the autonomy of
>> > the
>> > affiliate and sub-affiliate parties shall not be abridged by the
>> > National
>> > Committee or any other committee of the Party…” (Article 6, 5), and
>> >
>> > Whereas the Chair of the National Convention incorrectly ruled that it
>> > was
>> > in order for the convention to vote to seat three delegates in the
>> > Oregon
>> > delegation over the objection of the affiliate party chair, and
>> >
>> > Whereas the motion made did not challenge the report of the Credentials
>> > Committee as to who was the affiliate party chair, and
>> >
>> > Whereas the convention delegates subsequently voted to seat those
>> > delegates
>> > over the objection of the delegate chair,
>> >
>> > Be it resolved that the Libertarian National Committee apologizes to the
>> > Libertarian Party of Oregon for the erroneous ruling of the National
>> > Convention Chair.
>> > Alicia Mattson
>> > LNC Secretary
>> >
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