[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2014-10: Oregon Resolution v2

Sun Jul 20 08:51:49 EDT 2014

If anything we should be issuing a censure to Mr Wagoner for his repeated threats and attempts at blackmail of this board.
How interesting that this has gone on before... “APOLOGIZE or we are gonna disaffiliate Oregon from you guys at National and take our ballot access away, oh and Hey..please send us money for fighting Top 2.” in the words of Admiral Ackbar…and Mr Wagoner. “IT’S A TRAP!”

Members, we have found an issue that Mr Wagoner and Mr Burke agree on.  Possibly the best thing that could ever happen for the Libertarian Party in Oregon would be for Top 2 to be implemented.  I say this based on feelings I have had relative to Louisiana and the infighting we have here like pretty much every other state. I at times have wished for our ballot access to be challenged, some demon to be looming, coming to get our party. I hoped then that would cause the various factions to band together instead of tilting at each other’s windmills.  Now I don’t wish to test this theory, in reality. I like our fantastic ballot access, our version of Top 2, all while still recognizing officially the Libertarian Party  as a party affiliation.  Oregon would be the ideal test subject for my theory.

It just occurred to me that Mr. Wagoner and his repeated traps and threats and the LPO’s repeatedly expressed feelings of unpleasant sensation located in the distal orifice of the alimentary canal, are all part of their plan to grow their Oregon membership. Could it be that since they are not big enough to really fight the Democrats or Republicans yet, they need a more immediate boogieman to fight?  TADA!!! Cue up fight with the Burke faction and then the NLP/LNC.

I can’t but shake my head at the contradictory cries of “NOBODY FROM THE LNC ASKED US WHAT HAPPENED!” to “THE LNC KEEPS BUTTING IN TO OUR BUSINESS!!”  Did it not occur to the LPO to send an account of their version to the LNC instead of a flaming finger?  Which if someone comes back saying they did send their version, then why would the LNC need to contact them for their version? Has it not occurred that with the formation of a new LNC, that would have been prime opportunity for Mr Wagner, to appear in person after convention  and plead his case to the various new members of the LNC instead of plopping a threat in our laps as we walked in the door via his threat to Nick Sarwark?
Mr Wagner makes claims to have come to convention seeking peace, but does anybody buy that for a second? Does it not seems much more likely that Mr Wagner came to convention to kick the hornet’s nest once again…both with regards to his LPO board and the LNC that he loves to manipulate? Do you not see the petulant child crying for attention?
He could have plead his case to the whole convention with a personal privilege while we spent 3 hours with our speedy new approval voting. HECK, he could have come into convention and said, in the interest of fighting Top 2, we will accept the delegates from the Reeves contingent so that we may jointly appeal to the convention for help against this increasing threat to 3rd parties in Oregon and beyond, but he didn’t.

Someone over at some independent political rant said facetiously that I am a quick study. I am pretty sure I am. I thought of going over there and posting but as this will get immediately copied over there so, why bother. I’ve got other things to do with my own state.  I have ascertained that essentially you have at least one “child” demanding attention for he and his friends and when they don’t get it, they act out. They do however still want their allowance. 

I will say to Mr Wagner once again, decide to play nice in the LNC or leave if you don’t like it. If you don’t want to be subject to the rulings of the convention, don’t come to convention. To the rest of the LPO board, stop acting like your some kind of altruistic fighters for Liberty with your Bushesque logic of having to suspend free and open elections of the LPO to protect the freedom of the LPO.(Hey, thats the way it seems looking in.)  Either you want to be part of the National party with all it’s many faults or you don’t. LPO, stop talking about disaffiliating and either do it, or shut up and work with the Burke/Reeves faction against top 2 and bring your state back together and do it with your own money.

I take my position very seriously, but I no longer take the LPO seriously and that should be reflected in my writings here.
I will extend that anything I can do to help make LPO’s decision to disaffiliate any easier, I am here to assist. I fully support people’s right to free association but those people need to recognize when they do associate, strings come with that. Stop just talking.  Do or Do Not.

Daniel Hayes
LNC Region 7 Representative Alternate

On Jul 20, 2014, at 3:01 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Attached is a voicemail message that Mr. Wagner left for Mark Hinkle on 6/02/11.  At the end he said, "At this point in time all options are on the table, and I may wish to remind you that ballot access in Oregon would cost approximately three to five hundred thousand dollars for you to gain if we were to yank it from you."  (The numbers are bit exaggerated for dramatic effect, which is part of the game.)
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> Mr. Wagner has used this same threat over the past three years to try to manipulate people, but if he were to actually carry out his threat, it would end all his fun.  He has cried, "Wolf!" many times before.
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> I will repeat myself to say I do not understand why we are trying to appease someone who is blackmailing this board.  We're not debating motions of apology/regret on other procedural mistakes that some people think were made during the convention.  We're only spending the first month of our term on this one because of the threat.
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> I have already explained several of my objections to the details in this motion.  I will repeat myself and again say that in a situation with litigation, we should not be passing anything fuzzy and subject to interpretation.
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> -Alicia
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> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
> We have an electronic mail ballot.
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> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 29, 2014 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
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> Co-Sponsors:  Dan Wiener, Vicki Kirkland, Tim Hagan, Guy McLendon
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> Motion: 
> Whereas, the Bylaws of the Libertarian Party state that “delegates to a Regular Convention shall be selected by a method adopted by each affiliate party” (Article 11, 3 (b)), and
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> Whereas, the Bylaws of the Libertarian Party state that “each state-level affiliate party shall, in accordance with its own Bylaws and these Bylaws, determine who shall be its delegates to all Regular Conventions.” (Article 6, 3), and
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> Whereas, the Bylaws of the Libertarian Party state that “the autonomy of the affiliate and sub-affiliate parties shall not be abridged by the National Committee or any other committee of the Party…” (Article 6, 5), and
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> Whereas, a dispute over the Oregon delegation was placed before the Credentials Committee, which subsequently presented a report to the Libertarian Party National Convention on June 27, 2014 which did not describe the details of that dispute, and
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> Whereas, a motion was made to amend the Credentials Committee report to include three individuals as delegates within the Oregon delegation, and
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> Whereas, in response to a Point of Order the Chair of the National Convention ruled that the proposed amendment was in order, the Chair’s ruling was appealed, the Chair’s ruling was sustained by a vote of the assembly, and the assembly subsequently approved the amendment, and
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> Whereas, the 11th edition of Robert’s Rules of Order Newly Revised, which is the Parliamentary Authority for the Libertarian Party as stated in Article 16 of its Bylaws, states (p. 483) that “In any event, no action of the board can alter or conflict with any decision made by the assembly of the society, and any such action of the board is null and void (see p. 577, II. 23-33).”, and
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> Whereas, the Libertarian National Committee nevertheless regrets the situation wherein some delegates believe the above decision was incorrectly decided, therefore
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> Be it resolved that it is the sense of the Libertarian National Committee that it wishes to convey those regrets to the Libertarian Party of Oregon.
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> 
> Alicia Mattson
> LNC Secretary
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