[Lnc-business] draft minutes of 3/7/15 EC meeting

[Alicia Mattson]

I'm awarding Daniel Hayes a point for that answer!

I'll award another point to the first person to explain why seconds aren't
even technically needed in EC meetings.  :-)

And then for those interested in building their RONR skills, seconds are
often less important critters than you might think.  For instance, this
passage spans pages 36-37 of RONR:

"The requirement of a second is for the chair's guidance as to whether he
should state the question on the motion, thus placing it before the
assembly. Its purpose is to prevent time from being consumed by the
assembly's having to dispose of a motion that only one person wants to see
introduced.

In handling routine motions, less attention is paid to the requirement of a
second. If the chair is certain that a motion meets with wide approval but
members are slow in seconding it, he can state the question without waiting
for a second. However, until debate has begun in such a case—or, if there
is no debate, until the chair begins to take the vote and any member has
voted—a point of order (see 23) can be raised that the motion has not been
seconded; and then the chair must proceed formally and ask if there is a
second. Such a point of order should not be made only for the sake of form,
if it is clear that more than one member wishes to take up the motion.
After debate has begun or, if there is no debate, after any member has
voted, the lack of a second has become immaterial and it is too late to
make a point of order that the motion has not been seconded. If a motion is
considered and adopted without having been seconded—even in a case where
there was no reason for the chair to overlook this requirement—the absence
of a second does not affect the validity of the motion's adoption."

-Alicia



On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
wrote:

> Seconds are not required information in minutes as per RONR believe it or
> not. However while I don’t think they do I am not familiar if our rules
> dictate that we must.
> "The name of the maker of a main motion should be entered in the minutes,
> but the name of the seconder *should not* be entered unless ordered by
> the assembly.(RONR 11th ed. p.470.ll.26-28.)
> Borrowing a line from PRP Josh Martin, "There is no statement in *RONR *which
> suggests that the fact that a motion was seconded should be included in the
> minutes. It is not one of the items listed on pgs. 468-471, and it does not
> appear at all in the sample minutes on pgs. 472-473, even though the main
> motion by Mr. Gordon, the amendment by Mrs. Thomas, and the motion to
> commit by Mr. Dorsey were all probably seconded.”
>
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC Region 7 Representative Alternate
>
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2015, at 5:26 PM, goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com wrote:
>
> Alicia,
>
> Is the motion’s second missing or not needed in the minutes?
>
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
>
> *From:* Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* ‎Monday‎, ‎March‎ ‎9‎, ‎2015 ‎6‎:‎17‎ ‎PM
> *To:* lnc-business <lnc-business at lp.org>
>
> Attached are the draft minutes from Saturday's EC meeting regarding ballot
> access in Arkansas.
>
> Absent objection from an EC member who attended, these minutes will
> auto-approve on 3/23/15.
>
> Alicia Mattson
> LNC Secretary
>
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