[Lnc-business] Recent LP Facebook post - Our Continued Social Media Blunders

Sat Feb 28 14:40:38 EST 2015

This comment under the Rand Paul meme on our Facebook page sounds pretty
sincere to me:

" <https://www.facebook.com/DannyLewisAZ?fref=ufi> Dan Lewis   The
Libertarian Party. Just as partisan as the DNC and GOP. It's about the
person and their principles. It's not the 2 party system we're sick of. It's
partisanship in general and LP is no different. As an advid Rand Paul
supporter AND Libertarian not only will I unlike your page but you have lost
my vote for your candidates in future elections."

As many of the commenters note, since neither Rand Paul nor Ron Paul have
ever spent a single day as 

President nor Vice-President, and neither of them has ever lived in the
White House, the meme doesn't even make logical sense. 

   Scott Lieberman

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
Scott L.
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 10:38 AM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Recent LP Facebook post - Our Continued
SocialMedia Blunders

I bet an overwhelming majority of those commenting became followers of the
LP's Facebook page before the Rand Paul meme was posted.  If there is a way
to find out, I hope the LP's Facebook team is willing to release the number
of commenters on that meme who joined before, vs. after, that meme was
posted.

And even if by some miracle the majority of those commenters were not
followers of the LP's Facebook page until today,  and they have never
commented on any other LP Facebook post, it still means that the Rand Paul
campaign team, a year before the NH Primary, is able to get over 1000 of
their supporters to comment on a Facebook post on a minor party's web site
within 5 hours of its original posting.

Just to put that in perspective, the largest number of comments that ANY of
Governor Gary Johnson's January Facebook posts have received

as of TODAY is 571, and that post has been up for over a month.
https://www.facebook.com/govgaryjohnson

   Scott Lieberman

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
Nicholas Sarwark
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 10:12 AM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] [Statechairs] Recent LP Facebook post - Our
Continued Social Media Blunders

The Rand Paul campaign has a social media team and I am directly aware of an
organized effort by that team to comment on that photo en masse and like the
comments that are pro-Rand Paul.  This was a strategy adopted by both of the
elder Paul's Presidential campaign and it has been embraced by the younger
one.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler%27s_veto

-Nick

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On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Scott L. <scott73 at earthlink.net> wrote:

I won't pretend that this is a statistically valid poll, but here are some
comments attached to that Facebook post. 

I just took the first 8 comments - that was my only selection criteria.

If you don't believe me, look for yourself -
https://www.facebook.com/libertarians

You have to click the comment link under that post, and then "view more
comments"  to see all of the comments.

  Scott Lieberman

* Jordan Jones <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=38710967&fref=ufi>
How dumb do you have to be to include Paul with Clinton and Bush? This page
has gotten childish

 <https://www.facebook.com/libertarians> 

*   <https://www.facebook.com/robert.bennett.507?fref=ufi> 

*  Robert Bennett <https://www.facebook.com/robert.bennett.507?fref=ufi>
What? When did the LP become anti-Paul? I guess I missed the four to eight
years Ron won.

 <https://www.facebook.com/libertarians> 

   <https://www.facebook.com/piero?fref=ufi> 

*  Piero <https://www.facebook.com/piero?fref=ufi>  Marinucci   This page is
anti Ron Paul? Are you out of your Vulcan minds?

   <https://www.facebook.com/april.kluge?fref=ufi> 

*  April <https://www.facebook.com/april.kluge?fref=ufi>  Tanner Kluge
Rand Paul has his roots in the Libertarian party.... I will drop this page
before I drop him!

 <https://www.facebook.com/libertarians> 

*  Anthony <https://www.facebook.com/Mr.Hayden?fref=ufi>  Hayden   Wow you
lumped Paul in there. Never mind the fact that there has never been a Paul
president. This is just idiotic. Also just because he didn't buy a pot farm
like Gary Johnson (who I do like) does not mean he isn't libertarian at his
core.

 <https://www.facebook.com/libertarians> 

   <https://www.facebook.com/mj.fairfield?fref=ufi> 

*  MJ <https://www.facebook.com/mj.fairfield?fref=ufi>  Fairfield   Paul
would be great.

 <https://www.facebook.com/libertarians> 

   <https://www.facebook.com/jordan.hudson.562?fref=ufi> 

*  Jordan Hudson <https://www.facebook.com/jordan.hudson.562?fref=ufi>
Well LP just lost there spot on my feed

Eric Brakey <https://www.facebook.com/ebrakey?fref=ufi>   What are you?
Stupid or something? No one would even know about the Libertarian Party if
it were not for Ron and Rand Paul. In fact, childish antics like
these---alienating the very liberty-minded people you need to grow your
party---are the reason ...See More <https://www.facebook.com/libertarians> 

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
Scott L.
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 9:34 AM
To: lnc-business at lp.org
Subject: [Lnc-business] FW: [Statechairs] Recent LP Facebook post -
OurContinued Social Media Blunders

LNC Policy Manual

Article 2, Section 2.06, part 5,  number 5

"5) Assuring Quality Communications

If a majority of all LNC members notify the Secretary of their belief that a
proposed or

actual public communication is detrimental to the image of the Party, such
notification to

occur no later than 72 hours after the public communication is published,
the Secretary

shall inform the Executive Director and Chair of this finding, and such
communication

shall not be further disseminated, and to the extent possible,
already-disseminated material

shall be promptly removed from the public sphere."

Unfortunately, neither Mr. Hayes nor myself can "vote" on this matter.

However, for those of you who are Officers or Representatives - if you think
that the disadvantages of this post outweigh its advantages, please e-mail 

Ms. Mattson that you want this Facebook post removed from the Internet as
per the above Policy Manual provision.

  Scott Lieberman

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From: Statechairs [mailto:statechairs-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Daniel
Hayes
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 8:28 AM
To: State Chairs Group
Subject: [Statechairs] Recent LP Facebook post.- Our Continued Social
MediaBlunders

Members,

So I have as of this morning already gotten at least 2 complaints about what
I understand is a recent post on the National LP Facebook page .  While I
absolutely do not support Rand..and I think the Paul's staff is less
desirable than a rock sandwich, Ron Paul has done a lot to promote
libertarianism. Many of us would not be here if it were not for him. To
equate, the Paul's with the Clinton's and Bush's is misguided at best.  One
of the people that complained is from my own local executive committee and
he had planned to become a national dues paying member and has specifically
stated he will not be doing so now. In fact that was what he specifically
contacted me this morning to say because of this. It's the bad judgement
calls that people controlling our social media continue to make that is
significantly hampering our ability to recruit. And at the very least it
cost us $25.but I have a feeling it cost us a lot more than that.   I am
sure there are some that maybe like this..but this is such a clear net loser
for us.I just have to scratch my head at what people were thinking. I have
the original "picture" and also a picture one of the people that complained
to me posted. We just can't get out of our own way..I realize someone will
alway be unhappy, but there are some things that just are so clearly bad,
but we did them anyway.

Daniel Hayes

LNC Region 7 Alternate Representative

One of the people that was complaining made this and posted it:

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