[Lnc-business] draft minutes of 3/7/15 EC meeting

[Joshua Katz]

Seconds are not needed in small boards and committees. Since committees and
boards are designed to give full consideration and more open discussion-
see the motion for the previous question being out of order- any motion can
be put to the body. Additionally it is less troublesome to put forth motion
without support in a small body. Also as noted the absence of a second is
always immaterial once debate has begun.

By the way, the UCLA student association would have a lot less trouble
right now if they kept proper minutes and didn't include everything said.
On Mar 10, 2015 3:03 AM, "Alicia Mattson" <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm awarding Daniel Hayes a point for that answer!
>
> I'll award another point to the first person to explain why seconds aren't
> even technically needed in EC meetings.  :-)
>
> And then for those interested in building their RONR skills, seconds are
> often less important critters than you might think.  For instance, this
> passage spans pages 36-37 of RONR:
>
> "The requirement of a second is for the chair's guidance as to whether he
> should state the question on the motion, thus placing it before the
> assembly. Its purpose is to prevent time from being consumed by the
> assembly's having to dispose of a motion that only one person wants to see
> introduced.
>
> In handling routine motions, less attention is paid to the requirement of
> a second. If the chair is certain that a motion meets with wide approval
> but members are slow in seconding it, he can state the question without
> waiting for a second. However, until debate has begun in such a case—or, if
> there is no debate, until the chair begins to take the vote and any member
> has voted—a point of order (see 23) can be raised that the motion has not
> been seconded; and then the chair must proceed formally and ask if there is
> a second. Such a point of order should not be made only for the sake of
> form, if it is clear that more than one member wishes to take up the
> motion. After debate has begun or, if there is no debate, after any member
> has voted, the lack of a second has become immaterial and it is too late to
> make a point of order that the motion has not been seconded. If a motion is
> considered and adopted without having been seconded—even in a case where
> there was no reason for the chair to overlook this requirement—the absence
> of a second does not affect the validity of the motion's adoption."
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Seconds are not required information in minutes as per RONR believe it or
>> not. However while I don’t think they do I am not familiar if our rules
>> dictate that we must.
>> "The name of the maker of a main motion should be entered in the minutes,
>> but the name of the seconder *should not* be entered unless ordered by
>> the assembly.(RONR 11th ed. p.470.ll.26-28.)
>> Borrowing a line from PRP Josh Martin, "There is no statement in *RONR *which
>> suggests that the fact that a motion was seconded should be included in the
>> minutes. It is not one of the items listed on pgs. 468-471, and it does not
>> appear at all in the sample minutes on pgs. 472-473, even though the main
>> motion by Mr. Gordon, the amendment by Mrs. Thomas, and the motion to
>> commit by Mr. Dorsey were all probably seconded.”
>>
>> Daniel Hayes
>> LNC Region 7 Representative Alternate
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2015, at 5:26 PM, goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Alicia,
>>
>> Is the motion’s second missing or not needed in the minutes?
>>
>>
>> Sent from Windows Mail
>>
>> *From:* Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* ‎Monday‎, ‎March‎ ‎9‎, ‎2015 ‎6‎:‎17‎ ‎PM
>> *To:* lnc-business <lnc-business at lp.org>
>>
>> Attached are the draft minutes from Saturday's EC meeting regarding
>> ballot access in Arkansas.
>>
>> Absent objection from an EC member who attended, these minutes will
>> auto-approve on 3/23/15.
>>
>> Alicia Mattson
>> LNC Secretary
>>
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