[Lnc-business] report on Oklahoma visit

[Kevin Ludlow]

>What I think would be very helpful is a 20-page guide that has some of the
kind of factual information that a rational non-interested observer, might
provide, that shows what kinds of elections Libertarians have won in the
past, and are likely to win in the near future.

I appreciate this call-to-action and would be happy to work with Mr. Katz,
Mr. Lieberman, and whomever else supports this idea to produce some kind of
tangible report.  I would argue, again to the points within my longer
email, that 20 pages is not acceptable within a younger audience.  If you
tried to persuade me with a 20-page document you would not, because I would
not waste my time with it.  Apologies for saying that rudely, but I just
want to convey the seriousness in learning how to convey information
effectively to people.  A 20-page report is not going to do it.  Still, I
would be delighted to help and appreciate you suggesting it.

>People get real mad at me personally if I say they aren't likely to win a
race for governor, so I don't say it much anymore.

That's really unfortunate.  We're not going to get anywhere close to
winning a governor's race any time soon.  You certainly should be able to
voice that reality and use it to explain why we would chase more tenable
races.

-Kevin

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org> wrote:

> Attention Dr. Lieberman, Mr. Katz, and other strong proponents of getting
> Libertarians elected:
>
> What I think would be very helpful is a 20-page guide that has some of the
> kind of factual information that a rational non-interested observer, might
> provide, that shows what kinds of elections Libertarians have won in the
> past, and are likely to win in the near future.
>
> And I'm not just talking about rants from the Leadership Institute about
> how your principles don't matter if you don't get elected. I understand the
> point the man from Baton Rouge is making about putting importance on the
> election mechanics required to get votes.
>
> I'm also not talking about the kinds of messaging issues the crush-proof
> tubing salesman suggests about focusing on local, moderate, economic
> issues.
>
> Beyond the issues, and moderate versus radical, I'm talking about giving
> information to Libertarians about how the information given to Republicans
> winning partisan races where they are running in districts that have a
> baseline of support of 30 to 60% already, is different than the information
> that Libertarians need to start from a baseline of 2% or 5%, to get to 51%.
>
> New York has fusion. That's different than Texas. Mr. Katz was elected in
> a Republican seat in CT. That's different than getting elected as a
> Libertairan in a Libertarian seat in Indiana.
>
> More info:
> 1. Here's a history of the size of the jurisdictions where Libertarians
> won partisan offices, and the types of elections they were in:
>
> 2. Types of elections:
>
>    - P - normal partisan (one winner)
>    - PMx - partisan with multiple winners ("vote for x")
>    - PF - partisan with fusion
>    - PO - partisan with open filing (multiple candidates can appear with
>    the same party label)
>    - PT - partisan "top-two" primary
>    - PTR - partisan "top-two" runoff
>    - N - nonpartisan (one winner)
>    - NMx - nonpartisan with multiple winners ("vote for x")
>
>
> People get real mad at me personally if I say they aren't likely to win a
> race for governor, so I don't say it much anymore. Instead, I say they are
> running to win (if that's what they want to hear from me), but if they
> don't win, they will help promote libertarian principles on public policy.
>
> An LNC Elected Libertarians Committee could get away with stating the cold
> hard facts about what elections Libertarians are likely to win. And if done
> so in a certain way, such a committee could also recognize the value of
> running for President or Governor or Congress to advocate ending the war on
> drugs and changing public policy regardless of winning those races.
>
>
>
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314*
> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>
> On 12/11/2015 1:26 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:
>
> Sidenote:  This is why I have suggested, in the past, that training
> sessions held by a political party might usefully include one or two
> elected officials, who can presumably speak on two topics:  1.  how to win
> office as a Libertarian (something outside professionals can't usually
> teach us, although they can teach us much), and 2.  how to govern as a
> Libertarian - how to effectively advance an agenda while in office and move
> other office-holders (if serving in a non-executive capacity) to vote with
> you, build a coalition, and get a freer society as a benefit.
>
>
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