[Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Wed Dec 30 14:07:20 EST 2015

I'd be happy to respond to all of that.

1. No, it's not a motion.  It has no binding authority under our rules.
But if 15 people respond and we still feel we need to defer to a proper
motion to get "the board's feel" then I'd be truly at a loss for words.

2. I would never silence anyone - ever, but this has just gotten silly.  If
relevant information hasn't injected into the discussion within nearly SIX
weeks of conversation, then I'm not sure when it would be or why we should
wait on it further.  This should not be a complicated task.  I truly don't
mean to sound curt in that response, but surely the time for that has
passed.

3. I'm all for it.  To echo Mr. Bittner: *PLEASE SHARE YOUR OPINION NOW IF
YOU HAVE ONE*.  I would encourage anyone who has any relevant information
to put it out there.  What I really struggle with here is our unwillingness
to place a hard deadline on this process.  So I've created one.  I guess
everyone can just ignore that deadline, but then the problem just becomes a
lack of participation.

Everyone has email.  It takes literal seconds to respond.  I'm totally
sympathetic to staff not being able to close this deal due to the holidays,
but that has no bearing on US doing OUR part.  If one chooses not to voice
their opinion then my personal position is that their opinion is not
especially necessary to the conversation.

I wish I could force the participation, but I obviously cannot.  I do hope
that at least clears up my intent behind the poll.

-Kevin

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Brett Bittner <brett at brettbittner.com>
wrote:

> So that I'm clear about this survey, I have a couple questions:
>
>    1. As it's not a motion, will there be anything binding about the
>    outcome, other than the possibility of it being used in a motion's
>    discussion to show the "sense of the body"? I know many take off lots of
>    time around the holidays and don't check their e-mail. That being the case,
>    would a result that is a landslide for one location, but did not even get
>    50% participation, be used in the discussion when a formal motion is made?
>    2. Having asked several people several questions regarding this
>    meeting, as I'm having to coordinate travel with another group to
>    accommodate a speaking engagement on the day before the meeting, I feel
>    like I may have more information than others who've not asked those
>    questions. I don't recall seeing all of that information make its way onto
>    the LNC-Discuss list. Can we expect a survey with the info available now
>    not be used to push a certain location once the actual motion for a
>    location presents itself, where the discovery of all available information
>    is used in the discussion?
>    3. Is it possible for all of the moving parts that may affect the
>    possible locations be shared on this list before Mr. Ludlow's midnight
>    deadline?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brett C. Bittner
>
> brett at brettbittner.com
> 404.492.6524
>
> "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much
> liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Kevin,
>>
>> Thanks for setting up the survey.  Should have been done a month ago.
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for the update, Mr. Chair.
>>>
>>> If the democratic process is of any value, here is an online poll.  It
>>> takes about 4 seconds.  It seems it would just be easy to give staff a
>>> definitive answer.  I don't know of an easier way.
>>>
>>> Please include your name in the comment section.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/ziybzf/with-all-of-the-information-you-now-have-which-city-should-the-february-lnc-mee
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Scott L. <scott73 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Ludlow:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I feel your pain.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Helms-Briscoe is currently getting bids for our February LNC Session
>>>> from most or all of the hotels that are on the short list for our 2018
>>>> Convention site.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think it was the ED who wrote us that it is difficult to get bids
>>>> from hotels this week due to most normal people
>>>>
>>>> having this week off  (Note –  I have to work this week, so I am
>>>> clearly not normal).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I suggest we give staff until Thursday, January 7, 2016  to collect the
>>>> bids that Helms-Briscoe is able to solicit.  If we have no decent bids on
>>>> that date, then I suggest that we do what Mr. Ludlow suggests below.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Scott Lieberman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Kevin Ludlow
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 8:11 PM
>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LNC Members:
>>>>
>>>> I really dislike being that guy who sends multiple emails to a
>>>> list-serve when most others are remaining silent.  I also recognize that I
>>>> sometimes vocalize a strong tone, but I'm trying really hard to patiently
>>>> understand what we're doing here.  I was very present in Orlando and
>>>> am pretty sure I have not missed a single word of email.
>>>>
>>>> That being said, this specific email thread was started over two weeks
>>>> ago.  It was started by Mr. Goldstein as a way to expedite what he (and no
>>>> doubt several others) felt should have already been locked down.  I realize
>>>> the holidays have been upon us, but are we really to believe that each of
>>>> us cannot send 30-second-long emails from the convenience of his or her
>>>> front pocket?
>>>>
>>>> We need to select a location; we need to book hotels; we need to book
>>>> flights.
>>>>
>>>> What specifically is needed from this board in order to have a decision
>>>> made THIS week?  I would be happy to setup a Doodle Poll (as I believe Mr.
>>>> Katz suggested at the Orlando meeting).  I would be happy if staff
>>>> simply asked the body - again - what their choice of the four locations was
>>>> via email.  Either way, if this is to be democratic (which I don't feel it
>>>> needs to be) then I would advocate giving members until December 30th,
>>>> 11:59pm EST to submit their response and not a second later.
>>>>
>>>> I really don't care how it's done, but surely we are capable of
>>>> accomplishing this very simple and discrete task.
>>>>
>>>> If this has already been done and I've just missed the conversation
>>>> entirely then please paint me a fool and accept my most sincere apologies.
>>>> I'll buy every one of you a beer for my mistake.  But if not, can we please
>>>> lock this down immediately?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>
>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>
>>>> Region 7 Rep
>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Guy McLendon <guy at mclendon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I strongly prefer New Orleans over Phoenix …
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Tim Hagan
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:48 PM
>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm fine with any of those locations, including Seattle although I
>>>> will be there next month for a memorial.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The LNC would not be petitioning. I'm expecting to have enough
>>>> signature before then. Some LNC might help with a publicity event on Friday
>>>> or Monday if the signatures are ready to turn in. Other press opportunities
>>>> might exist.
>>>>
>>>> I'm fine meeting anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans (close
>>>> to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't have to
>>>> pack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix was last
>>>> March. Loved the hotel. So, if you are worried that I'm pushing too hard
>>>> for OKC, it's for the great prices and new LP activity there, not for me
>>>> personally, although I have many relatives in Oklahoma.
>>>>
>>>> I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San Francisco
>>>> or L.A., but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with Washington
>>>> state, personally, but it seems like a long long way to fly for most
>>>> people.
>>>>
>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>> *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314*
>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>
>>>> On 12/23/2015 3:45 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Regarding OKC, is there an actual expectation that the LNC would be out
>>>> petitioning instead of meeting?  Did I just misunderstand that or possibly
>>>> read into it incorrectly?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have reasonably
>>>> good airfares for February 19-21.
>>>>
>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>
>>>> On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans.
>>>>
>>>> * PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into
>>>> * Phoenix itself is easy to get around
>>>> * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix
>>>> * The city is specifically setup for business conferences
>>>> * We have two potential sites to visit there
>>>>
>>>> * While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance to
>>>> other members (a little at least)
>>>>
>>>> -Kevin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix?
>>>>
>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>> *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314*
>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>
>>>> On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the
>>>> $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a
>>>> couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting
>>>> in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like.
>>>>
>>>> Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas.
>>>> So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare
>>>> those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now.
>>>>
>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>> *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314*
>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>> facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>
>>>> On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe
>>>> Friday.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just
>>>> emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the
>>>> short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend.
>>>> (Cities are:  Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue,
>>>> WA)  I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us
>>>> their offers quickly if they're available.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Alicia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy at mclendon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd go for OK City ...
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of Wes
>>>> Benedict
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM
>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>>
>>>> Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to
>>>>
>>>> research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco
>>>>
>>>> recently but got zero interest from the LNC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are
>>>>
>>>> interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast.
>>>>
>>>> Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your
>>>>
>>>> flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people
>>>>
>>>> there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees
>>>>
>>>> everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we
>>>>
>>>> > have not yet selected a location.  Can we please get a report from
>>>>
>>>> > staff as to which locations we are considering?  I, for one, would
>>>>
>>>> > like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Live Free,
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > Sam Goldstein
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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