[Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Thu Dec 31 16:38:37 EST 2015

While I appreciate what Mr. Kraus is saying, I will defer back to my
lengthy email from a week ago and echo exactly what Dr. Lieberman just
wrote.

I was *intentionally* meaning for the body to make a decision WITHOUT
factoring cost.  We are the very top leadership of the Libertarian Party.
It is an absurdity to think we would skirt what is ultimately best for the
party to save ourselves some money.  While I am intent upon selecting a
location so that at least we can save as much money as possible with
advanced planning, that is a stark difference from selecting a location
specifically because it would save us money.

If I had the telephone numbers of the remaining 4 members who have not
voted I would call them right now.  If you have their number I would
encourage YOU to call them.  If somebody would like to send me those I will
in fact do so.  Either way, I would hope that our body selects the location
based upon their analysis of what is most important for the PARTY, not for
their own wallet.  Factor the 2018 convention.  Factor the likeliness of
selecting a location more suited for the delegation.  Factor the OKC ballot
drive if you like.  But please don't factor it because it's cheapest for
you.

Thank you for enduring my continued positions on this matter.
Kevin Ludlow

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Scott L. <scott73 at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
> Remember – the LNC is supposed to be checking out potential Convention
> sites when we meet, at least when we have potential Convention sites to
> check out.
>
>
>
> Do we really want to report to our constituents that instead of checking
> out potential 2018 Convention hotels we chose
>
> Oklahoma City for a meeting because it might save LNC members a grand
> total of maybe $90 each?
>
>
>
> I suggest we wait until Tuesday and see what Helms-Briscoe comes up with.
>
>
>
>     Scott Lieberman
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Robert Kraus
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:50 PM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>
>
>
> Quick update:
>
>
>
> I have OKC on hold until next week so the space is available. HB said they
> are working on finalizing details for one Phoenix location, Atlantic City
> and New Orleans. We will likely here back Mon or Tue.  So hopefully all
> the options will be available for final review early next week and a
> decision can be made. Once you all see the costs (and substancial savings
> vs HB) perhaps the votes will change. Right now the only firm expenses are
> OKC – the best deal shown below (also includes all of our usual a/v):
>
>
>
>
>
> Mind you the sales manager is libertarian so perhaps that helped!
>
>
>
> Happy New Year!
>
>
>
> *Robert*
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Wes Benedict
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:32 PM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>
>
>
> I was about to ask Robert to get a contract underway for OKC before he
> goes on vacation next week but  with Bittners change , it's too close to
> call.
>
>
>
> Bittner if you switch back it could expedite a final contract and decision
> by as much as a week.
>
>
>
> I'm fine either place. Any time.
>
>
>
> Robert, provide other commentary if you'd like.
>
>
>
> I'm on vacation this week and not following the details as closely as when
> on the clock.
>
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sure thing.  Reflected in the tallies below.
>
>
> * Oklahoma City*
>
> Gary Johnson
>
> Marc Feldman
>
> Nick Sarwark
>
> Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)
>
> Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)
>
> Wes Benedict
> Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
> Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)
>
> Jim Lark
> Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll)
> Scott Spencer
>
>
>
> *Phoenix*
>
> Kevin Ludlow
>
> Sam Goldstein
>
> Dan Wiener
>
> Alicia Mattson
>
> Tim Hagan
>
> Scott Lieberman
> Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)
>
>
>
> *New Orleans*
>
> Arvin Vohra
> Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)
>
>
>
> *Atlantic City*
> Josh Katz
>
> *Bellevue*
> Roland Rimers
>
> *Have not heard from*
>
> Bill Redpath
> Ron Windeler
>
> Ed Marsh
>
> Rich Tomasso
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Brett Bittner <brett at brettbittner.com>
> wrote:
>
> After further consideration, can my preference be changed to Phoenix?
>
> Brett Bittner
>
> **This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos.
>
> On Dec 31, 2015 13:34, "Kevin Ludlow" <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And now as of 12:30 CST there are only 4 votes outstanding.  If anybody
> could contact those 4 just to have said everyone weighed in, it would be
> nice to see us utilize technology.
>
>
>
> *Oklahoma City*
>
> Gary Johnson
>
> Marc Feldman
>
> Brett Bittner
>
> Nick Sarwark
>
> Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)
>
> Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)
>
> Wes Benedict
> Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
> Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)
>
> Jim Lark
> Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll)
> Scott Spencer
>
>
>
> *Phoenix*
>
> Kevin Ludlow
>
> Sam Goldstein
>
> Dan Wiener
>
> Alicia Mattson
>
> Tim Hagan
>
> Scott Lieberman
>
>
>
> *New Orleans*
>
> Arvin Vohra
> Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)
>
>
>
> *Atlantic City*
> Josh Katz
>
> *Bellevue*
> Roland Rimers
>
> *Have not heard from*
>
> Bill Redpath
> Ron Windeler
>
> Ed Marsh
>
> Rich Tomasso
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks, Doug.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:21 PM, <doug at vikingmetals.com> wrote:
>
> New Orleans
> Doug
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Voting
> From: Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
> Date: Dec 31, 2015 1:07 PM
> To: "Bill Redpath" <william.redpath at lp.org>,"Doug Craig" <
> doug.craig at lp.org>,"Ed Marsh" <ed.marsh at lp.org>,"Scott Spencer" <
> scott.spencer at lp.org>,"Rich Tomasso" <rich.tomasso at lp.org>,
> ron.windeler at lp.org
> CC:
>
> Hey Guys.
>
> While I'm certain this should have been done 6 weeks ago, it just wasn't
> and so I'm trying to at least say that everyone on the board had their say.
>
> Out of the following: Atlantic City, Bellevue, New Orleans, Oklahoma City,
> and Phoenix
>
> Can you let me know your single preference.  We have 20 other votes
> tabulated and I'd love to put this to rest on the boards end so that staff
> has a clear direction.
>
> You're welcome to text me at 512-773-3968
>
> Thanks much.
> Kevin Ludlow
>
> PS: Apologies to Mr. Redpath as I do believe you had expressed OKC earlier
> in the thread.  I just didn't want to assume it in case I misread
> something.
>
> --
> ========================================================
> Kevin Ludlow
> 512-773-3968
> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 12:00PM CST.  Only 6 people have not cast a vote.
>
> *Oklahoma City*
>
> Gary Johnson
>
> Marc Feldman
>
> Brett Bittner
>
> Nick Sarwark
>
> Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)
>
> Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)
>
> Wes Benedict
> Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
> Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)
>
> Jim Lark
> Sean O'Toole
>
>
>
> *Phoenix*
>
> Kevin Ludlow
>
> Sam Goldstein
>
> Dan Wiener
>
> Alicia Mattson
>
> Tim Hagan
>
> Scott Lieberman
>
>
>
> *New Orleans*
>
> Arvin Vohra
>
>
>
> *Atlantic City*
> Josh Katz
>
> *Bellevue*
> Roland Rimers
>
> *Have not heard from*
>
> Bill Redpath
> Doug Craig
> Ron Windeler
>
> Ed Marsh
>
> Scott Spencer
>
> Rich Tomasso
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Sean O'Toole <sean at kingfieldcapital.com>
> wrote:
>
> I've not weighed in on locations as I will be returning from an extended
> stay in India at roughly the same time as the meeting. If I were to
> attend, I would prefer OK City as it is close to home.
>
> Sean O'Toole
> sean at kingfieldcapital.com
> (816) 739-2737 <%28816%29%20739-2737>
>
>    “It is the job of economists to point out trade-offs; it is the job of
> politicians and planners to deny that trade-offs exist.”
>         -William Easterly, 2006
> On 31 Dec 2015, at 11:29, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>
> Three more trickled in over the night.  There are now only 7 people who
> have not weighed in (though to be fair, Mr. Redpath had been previously
> clear about supporting OKC; I just didn't feel it was fair to assign him
> that since this was a new poll).
>
> And yes, I would assume OKC is a bit more expensive than Phoenix.  It's
> not
> a major hub by any stretch.
>
> *Oklahoma City*
> Gary Johnson
> Marc Feldman
> Brett Bittner
> Nick Sarwark
> Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)
> Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)
> Wes Benedict
> Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
> Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)
> Jim Lark
>
> *Phoenix*
> Kevin Ludlow
> Sam Goldstein
> Dan Wiener
> Alicia Mattson
> Tim Hagan
> Scott Lieberman
>
> *New Orleans*
> Arvin Vohra
>
> *Atlantic City*
> Josh Katz
>
> *Bellevue*
> Roland Rimers
>
> *Have not heard from*
> Bill Redpath
> Doug Craig
> Ron Windeler
> Ed Marsh
> Scott Spencer
> Sean O'Toole
> Rich Tomasso
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Scott L. <scott73 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Mr Riemers:
>
>
>
> I just did a quick check on Southwest Airlines.
>
>
>
> Fares for Feb 19 and 21 from Minneapolis to Oklahoma City are as little
> as $280 ROUND TRIP for a 1pm arrival on Friday,
>
> and a 6pm departure on Sunday.
>
>
>
> I see that Grand Forks to Minneapolis via air is $740 round trip on Delta,
> but I assume you can drive from your home to Minneapolis.
>
>
> Scott Lieberman
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Roland Riemers
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:12 AM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have not looked at the prices for the other cities,  but February prices
> for Grand Forks to Oklahoma City runs about $1,200.   Connections are not
> too bad.  At that price I would probably do the 10 hour drive.
>
>
>
> I still think we just need to find a nice central location that is
> interesting to go to,  has the services we want,  has cheap air fares,  and
> just stick with that for all future conventions,  and then keep the LNC
> meetings in DC to keep the staff time and costs down.
>
>
>
> Roland Riemers ND
>
>
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