[Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Thu Dec 31 18:06:05 EST 2015

Ed Marsh voted for Atlantic City.

Vicki Kirkland
Region 2 Rep

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:

> I texted with Mr. Redpath and he did in fact select OKC.  I left a text
> message for Mr. Tomasso, and voice messages for Mr. Marsh and Mr.
> Windeler.  They are the 3 outstanding voices.  I've reflected the tally
> below.
>
> > Count the emails going back 2 months on this topic Maybe next term
> delegate the decision to the chair?
>
> Like many people on this board, the chair is a family man.  I am not.  I
> have more time.  I fail to see why it matters who accomplishes a goal we
> all agreed would be accomplished at our last meeting.  Furthermore, we
> spent 2 months and got a mere 6 voices to weigh in.  We just had 23
> different voices speak up in less than 2 days.  I'll let my process stand
> for itself.
>
> >Kevin, what would big business people say?
>
> They wouldn't say anything.  They would have done their job 4 weeks ago
> and been through a dozen other items since.
>
> As a final response, I want to point out that I don't care about the
> politics of this and I likely never will.  I want to get stuff done.  I did
> what I felt it would take to get stuff done.  And in the matter of getting
> the board to participate, I got that stuff done.  I'm not challenging
> anybody, I just don't want to waste my precious hours on futility.
>
> *Oklahoma City*
> Gary Johnson
> Marc Feldman
> Nick Sarwark
> Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)
> Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)
> Wes Benedict
> Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
> Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)
> Jim Lark
> Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll)
> Scott Spencer
> Bill Redpath
>
> *Phoenix*
> Kevin Ludlow
> Sam Goldstein
> Dan Wiener
> Alicia Mattson
> Tim Hagan
> Scott Lieberman
> Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)
>
> *New Orleans*
> Arvin Vohra
> Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)
>
> *Atlantic City*
> Josh Katz
>
> *Bellevue*
> Roland Rimers
>
> *Have not heard from*
> Ron Windeler
> Ed Marsh
> Rich Tomasso
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Count the emails going back 2 months on this topic. Maybe next term
>> delegate the decision to the chair?
>>
>> Kevin, what would big business people say? (Not counting walmart or
>> Berkshire Hathaway-those guys are cheap. )
>>
>> Can I change my vote to half for OKC and half for New Orleans?
>> I'm craving crawfish. And I'm worried basking in the Phoenix sun will
>> make me want to move LPHQ to Phoenix.
>>
>> I don't worry about being tempted to move to OKC. Same for New Orleans
>> for different reasons. Too much fun = too unhealthy to actually live there.
>>
>> Happy new year!
>>
>> p.s. On vacation so cut me slack on quality of humor and legitimate
>> content.
>>
>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 5:00 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> While I am again certain that Mr. Kraus is very well-intended here, he
>> illustrates the point that I have been trying to make for weeks.  This is
>> the kind of stamp-counting that the LP gets caught up in.
>>
>> We know there is SOME cost to having meetings. While there does exist a
>> subjective level whereby we would have to factor the cost of something,
>> $2,500 needs to be seen as pennies.  We're talking about a meeting for
>> 20-30 people for executive leadership of the party.  I believe our annual
>> budget is about $1.4m?
>>
>> $2,500 is 0.18% of $1.4m.  I realize that it might seem like a lot of
>> money to some people, but in ANY business examination of the costs we're
>> working with, it's pennies on the dollar.  I don't mean to sound
>> insensitive there, but it's the reality of it.  If the body needs to
>> consume an addition 0.18% of its resources to ensure the party is best
>> represented, even if it has to do this 4 times per year, it doesn't make a
>> dent in our budget.
>>
>> There are plenty of very wealthy, high-profile Libertarians around the
>> country.  I am certain any of them would agree with my analysis here.  This
>> is not an issue of frugality, but rather inexperience with real-world
>> business.  I promise I say that lovingly, but we need to address is very
>> seriously.
>>
>> -Kevin Ludlow
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just to clarify – I was not talking about what was cheaper for YOU ALL –
>>> but what is likely to be the least expensive option for the PARTY AND OUR
>>> DONORS. At time a/v and wifi alone can run $1500 plus an additional $500 a
>>> day (or more) for cost of the meeting room. That’s likely to be $2500 in
>>> savings for the PARTY and our donors if you all decide on OKC. In terms of
>>> room savings – cost of travel – that is of course a factor too because our
>>> donors pay for staff to go to these meetings.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course the least expensive option FOR THE PARTY (and our donors) is
>>> almost always to hold meeting sin DC near the office.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Happy New Year!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Robert*
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Kevin Ludlow
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 4:39 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While I appreciate what Mr. Kraus is saying, I will defer back to my
>>> lengthy email from a week ago and echo exactly what Dr. Lieberman just
>>> wrote.
>>>
>>> I was *intentionally* meaning for the body to make a decision WITHOUT
>>> factoring cost.  We are the very top leadership of the Libertarian Party.
>>> It is an absurdity to think we would skirt what is ultimately best for the
>>> party to save ourselves some money.  While I am intent upon selecting a
>>> location so that at least we can save as much money as possible with
>>> advanced planning, that is a stark difference from selecting a location
>>> specifically because it would save us money.
>>>
>>> If I had the telephone numbers of the remaining 4 members who have not
>>> voted I would call them right now.  If you have their number I would
>>> encourage YOU to call them.  If somebody would like to send me those I will
>>> in fact do so.  Either way, I would hope that our body selects the location
>>> based upon their analysis of what is most important for the PARTY, not for
>>> their own wallet.  Factor the 2018 convention.  Factor the likeliness of
>>> selecting a location more suited for the delegation.  Factor the OKC ballot
>>> drive if you like.  But please don't factor it because it's cheapest for
>>> you.
>>>
>>> Thank you for enduring my continued positions on this matter.
>>>
>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Scott L. <scott73 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Remember – the LNC is supposed to be checking out potential Convention
>>> sites when we meet, at least when we have potential Convention sites to
>>> check out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do we really want to report to our constituents that instead of checking
>>> out potential 2018 Convention hotels we chose
>>>
>>> Oklahoma City for a meeting because it might save LNC members a grand
>>> total of maybe $90 each?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I suggest we wait until Tuesday and see what Helms-Briscoe comes up with.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Scott Lieberman
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Robert Kraus
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:50 PM
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quick update:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have OKC on hold until next week so the space is available. HB said
>>> they are working on finalizing details for one Phoenix location, Atlantic
>>> City and New Orleans. We will likely here back Mon or Tue.  So
>>> hopefully all the options will be available for final review early next
>>> week and a decision can be made. Once you all see the costs (and
>>> substancial savings vs HB) perhaps the votes will change. Right now the
>>> only firm expenses are OKC – the best deal shown below (also includes all
>>> of our usual a/v):
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <image001.gif>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mind you the sales manager is libertarian so perhaps that helped!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Happy New Year!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Robert*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Wes Benedict
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:32 PM
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was about to ask Robert to get a contract underway for OKC before he
>>> goes on vacation next week but  with Bittners change , it's too close to
>>> call.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bittner if you switch back it could expedite a final contract and
>>> decision by as much as a week.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm fine either place. Any time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert, provide other commentary if you'd like.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm on vacation this week and not following the details as closely as
>>> when on the clock.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure thing.  Reflected in the tallies below.
>>>
>>>
>>> * Oklahoma City*
>>>
>>> Gary Johnson
>>>
>>> Marc Feldman
>>>
>>> Nick Sarwark
>>>
>>> Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)
>>>
>>> Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)
>>>
>>> Wes Benedict
>>> Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
>>> Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)
>>>
>>> Jim Lark
>>> Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll)
>>> Scott Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Phoenix*
>>>
>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>
>>> Dan Wiener
>>>
>>> Alicia Mattson
>>>
>>> Tim Hagan
>>>
>>> Scott Lieberman
>>> Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *New Orleans*
>>>
>>> Arvin Vohra
>>> Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Atlantic City*
>>> Josh Katz
>>>
>>> *Bellevue*
>>> Roland Rimers
>>>
>>> *Have not heard from*
>>>
>>> Bill Redpath
>>> Ron Windeler
>>>
>>> Ed Marsh
>>>
>>> Rich Tomasso
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Brett Bittner <brett at brettbittner.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> After further consideration, can my preference be changed to Phoenix?
>>>
>>> Brett Bittner
>>>
>>> **This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos.
>>>
>>> On Dec 31, 2015 13:34, "Kevin Ludlow" <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And now as of 12:30 CST there are only 4 votes outstanding.  If anybody
>>> could contact those 4 just to have said everyone weighed in, it would be
>>> nice to see us utilize technology.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Oklahoma City*
>>>
>>> Gary Johnson
>>>
>>> Marc Feldman
>>>
>>> Brett Bittner
>>>
>>> Nick Sarwark
>>>
>>> Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)
>>>
>>> Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)
>>>
>>> Wes Benedict
>>> Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
>>> Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)
>>>
>>> Jim Lark
>>> Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll)
>>> Scott Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Phoenix*
>>>
>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>
>>> Dan Wiener
>>>
>>> Alicia Mattson
>>>
>>> Tim Hagan
>>>
>>> Scott Lieberman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *New Orleans*
>>>
>>> Arvin Vohra
>>> Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Atlantic City*
>>> Josh Katz
>>>
>>> *Bellevue*
>>> Roland Rimers
>>>
>>> *Have not heard from*
>>>
>>> Bill Redpath
>>> Ron Windeler
>>>
>>> Ed Marsh
>>>
>>> Rich Tomasso
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Doug.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:21 PM, <doug at vikingmetals.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> New Orleans
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Voting
>>> From: Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Dec 31, 2015 1:07 PM
>>> To: "Bill Redpath" <william.redpath at lp.org>,"Doug Craig" <
>>> doug.craig at lp.org>,"Ed Marsh" <ed.marsh at lp.org>,"Scott Spencer" <
>>> scott.spencer at lp.org>,"Rich Tomasso" <rich.tomasso at lp.org>,
>>> ron.windeler at lp.org
>>> CC:
>>>
>>> Hey Guys.
>>>
>>> While I'm certain this should have been done 6 weeks ago, it just wasn't
>>> and so I'm trying to at least say that everyone on the board had their
>>> say.
>>>
>>> Out of the following: Atlantic City, Bellevue, New Orleans, Oklahoma
>>> City,
>>> and Phoenix
>>>
>>> Can you let me know your single preference.  We have 20 other votes
>>> tabulated and I'd love to put this to rest on the boards end so that
>>> staff
>>> has a clear direction.
>>>
>>> You're welcome to text me at 512-773-3968
>>>
>>> Thanks much.
>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>
>>> PS: Apologies to Mr. Redpath as I do believe you had expressed OKC
>>> earlier
>>> in the thread.  I just didn't want to assume it in case I misread
>>> something.
>>>
>>> --
>>> ========================================================
>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>> 512-773-3968
>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 12:00PM CST.  Only 6 people have not cast a vote.
>>>
>>> *Oklahoma City*
>>>
>>> Gary Johnson
>>>
>>> Marc Feldman
>>>
>>> Brett Bittner
>>>
>>> Nick Sarwark
>>>
>>> Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)
>>>
>>> Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)
>>>
>>> Wes Benedict
>>> Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
>>> Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)
>>>
>>> Jim Lark
>>> Sean O'Toole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Phoenix*
>>>
>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>
>>> Dan Wiener
>>>
>>> Alicia Mattson
>>>
>>> Tim Hagan
>>>
>>> Scott Lieberman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *New Orleans*
>>>
>>> Arvin Vohra
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Atlantic City*
>>> Josh Katz
>>>
>>> *Bellevue*
>>> Roland Rimers
>>>
>>> *Have not heard from*
>>>
>>> Bill Redpath
>>> Doug Craig
>>> Ron Windeler
>>>
>>> Ed Marsh
>>>
>>> Scott Spencer
>>>
>>> Rich Tomasso
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Sean O'Toole <
>>> sean at kingfieldcapital.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've not weighed in on locations as I will be returning from an extended
>>> stay in India at roughly the same time as the meeting. If I were to
>>> attend, I would prefer OK City as it is close to home.
>>>
>>> Sean O'Toole
>>> sean at kingfieldcapital.com
>>> (816) 739-2737 <%28816%29%20739-2737>
>>>
>>>    “It is the job of economists to point out trade-offs; it is the job
>>> of politicians and planners to deny that trade-offs exist.”
>>>         -William Easterly, 2006
>>> On 31 Dec 2015, at 11:29, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>
>>> Three more trickled in over the night.  There are now only 7 people who
>>> have not weighed in (though to be fair, Mr. Redpath had been previously
>>> clear about supporting OKC; I just didn't feel it was fair to assign him
>>> that since this was a new poll).
>>>
>>> And yes, I would assume OKC is a bit more expensive than Phoenix.  It's
>>> not
>>> a major hub by any stretch.
>>>
>>> *Oklahoma City*
>>> Gary Johnson
>>> Marc Feldman
>>> Brett Bittner
>>> Nick Sarwark
>>> Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)
>>> Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)
>>> Wes Benedict
>>> Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
>>> Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)
>>> Jim Lark
>>>
>>> *Phoenix*
>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Dan Wiener
>>> Alicia Mattson
>>> Tim Hagan
>>> Scott Lieberman
>>>
>>> *New Orleans*
>>> Arvin Vohra
>>>
>>> *Atlantic City*
>>> Josh Katz
>>>
>>> *Bellevue*
>>> Roland Rimers
>>>
>>> *Have not heard from*
>>> Bill Redpath
>>> Doug Craig
>>> Ron Windeler
>>> Ed Marsh
>>> Scott Spencer
>>> Sean O'Toole
>>> Rich Tomasso
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Scott L. <scott73 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mr Riemers:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just did a quick check on Southwest Airlines.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fares for Feb 19 and 21 from Minneapolis to Oklahoma City are as little
>>> as $280 ROUND TRIP for a 1pm arrival on Friday,
>>>
>>> and a 6pm departure on Sunday.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I see that Grand Forks to Minneapolis via air is $740 round trip on
>>> Delta,
>>> but I assume you can drive from your home to Minneapolis.
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott Lieberman
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Roland Riemers
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:12 AM
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have not looked at the prices for the other cities,  but February
>>> prices
>>> for Grand Forks to Oklahoma City runs about $1,200.   Connections are
>>> not
>>> too bad.  At that price I would probably do the 10 hour drive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I still think we just need to find a nice central location that is
>>> interesting to go to,  has the services we want,  has cheap air fares,
>>> and
>>> just stick with that for all future conventions,  and then keep the LNC
>>> meetings in DC to keep the staff time and costs down.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Roland Riemers ND
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ========================================================
>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>> 512-773-3968
>>>
>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>
>>>
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>>
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