[Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] Dec Meeting
Caryn Ann Harlos
carynannharlos at gmail.com
Sat Jul 30 20:20:48 EDT 2016
Hi Starchild, I promised the members that I would get with them with the
actual costs once provided. I also promised them I would view the LP
national offices meeting space to see if it is unsuitable as represented at
the post-convention meeting.
There comes a time when ROI is diminishing. A space off site of hotel
increases expenses for transportation and makes it difficult even for the
public. Increased staff time fiddling around is an expense. Having a
meeting room at a hotel where the LNC members will be staying is just
common sense reasonable to me. I agree that if the LP offices are
sufficient, we should have them there, but the other LNC members said it
was not. I will see for myself.
I have seen no proof that what is being spent is extravagent. The
facilities in Vegas were modest enough for the needs (a bit more room then
we needed) and the food was certain sparse... in fact, there was none left
when I got back from running to the bathroom, so we certainly didn't
over-order (and I was fine going without a meal, I eat like a bird anyways).
I just do not see a huge deal to be upset about in obtaining a conference
room at a hotel where guests and LNC members will be flying into. For
Alexandria, I reserve judgment on our offices until I see them. And if
there is not sufficient room for members to attend and be reasonably
comfortable, then it is unsuitable. And if there is no elbow room at all
for the LNC, it will be unsuitable. I happen to be very uncomfortable
having to be right up against other people for hours and that is no way for
us to be mentally focused to do the job at hand. My mother's saying of
penny-wise and pound-foolish comes to mind.
I do, though, wish to see the expenditures, and promised the Region 1
members that I would provide that information to them. They also are very
eager to learn if the LP offices are suitable to meet.
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Caryn,
>
> Have you and the folks you're consulting in your region seen the proposed
> spending for this meeting? I haven't. How much of the party's money do you
> and others think it is acceptable to spend on meeting spaces? I wouldn't
> have any problem with the party spending money for this purpose if there
> were no free meeting spaces available – but there are, including in our own
> office!
>
> I assume there is some upper limit on how much of our members' money you
> feel it's reasonable to spend for an LNC meeting? If LNC members, or folks
> back home, name their upper limit numbers, then we can get a better sense
> of what people want.
>
> I would have no issue leaving the issue in the hands of staff if all
> meeting options potentially under consideration were equally expensive, or
> if we instructed them to find that spot that meets our needs (as we
> collectively define them) which is least expensive overall. But of course
> the options aren't necessarily equally expensive, and we've never formally
> defined our needs and instructed staff to choose the least expensive choice
> which meets those needs.
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
>
>
>
> On Jul 30, 2016, at 4:47 PM, lnc-votes at hq.lp.org wrote:
>
> I have solicited input from my region and thus far the members have said
> this is a reasonable expense (small sample size but of members who pay
> attention to what we do)
>
> My job is to represent my region and so far they support reasonable
> Party-paid facilities
>
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
> On Saturday, July 30, 2016, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>
>> One other thing to point out about our meeting in Alexandria. Our staff
>> resides in the area and this saves considerable amounts of money as we do
>> not have to pay for their flights and rooms somewhere else.
>>
>>
>> Daniel Hayes
>> LNC At Large Member
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> By the way - an LNC term is 2 years. If you cancel a credit card, you
>> can generally sign up and get the sign-on bonus again after 2 years.
>> Managing this correctly can save you approximately half of your travel
>> costs - last term, I only had to pay for a hotel once,and one flight, after
>> the midpoint of the term - but I also did some other travel on my points.
>> This term it hasn't quite kicked in yet.
>>
>> That said, I agree with Caryn and Brett. Remember that time last term we
>> first couldn't choose a city, and then tried to pick the hotel? I think
>> our costs ended up much higher that way because of the incredibly delay.
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Brett Bittner <brett.bittner at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>
>>> I get similar feedback from both members and those who aren't members
>>> yet. ;-)
>>>
>>> When I mention that I'm committed to the business of the Party to fly
>>> all over the country to perform it on my own dime, the only response is one
>>> of respect for that commitment. My mother has mentioned to me several times
>>> that I MUST be crazy, and she makes the effort to find out my LNC travel
>>> schedule to help me get the most for my money. She's transferred Southwest
>>> Rapid Rewards points and hotel loyalty rewards that she's earned to reduce
>>> that liability. Last term, Dr. Feldman and I did not accept the funds that
>>> the LPIN sets aside for our Region Reps and Alternates to travel to these
>>> meetings.
>>>
>>> I've found that Robert does a terrific job negotiating the best rates
>>> for our group, and I appreciate that he does so.
>>>
>>> Our job is to provide governance for the Party, not micro-manage every
>>> decision or penny spent.
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to our next meeting in Alexandria,
>>>
>>> Brett C. Bittner
>>>
>>> Region 3 Representative
>>> Libertarian National Committee <http://lp.org/>
>>>
>>> brett.bittner at lp.org
>>> 317.699.2611
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is my understanding that we vote on locations in general and trust
>>>> the staff to make suitable arrangements within a budget.
>>>>
>>>> I certainly don't think a governing board should be wasting time
>>>> deciding between venues.
>>>>
>>>> Running the party (including meetings) has certain overhead. I have no
>>>> issue with it.
>>>>
>>>> I will ask my region what their thoughts are but I suspect they are
>>>> fine with reasonable accommodations for meetings. Most members are in awe
>>>> that there are people willing to travel and do this work on their own
>>>> dime. Outsiders think I'm crazy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, July 30, 2016, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know we voted to meet in Alexandria, Tim – but I don't recall voting
>>>>> on a specific location in Alexandria. That's what I was talking about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert, when you send the details, please include the full itemized
>>>>> details on the cost of the meeting along with the contract if there is one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Tim Hagan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Alexandria was voted at the May 30 Post-Convention meeting.
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/files/20160530_LNC.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim Hagan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 30, 2016 12:34 AM
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] Dec Meeting
>>>>>
>>>>> Resending this as I'm not sure that it ever got posted...
>>>>>
>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Starchild wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In the past the LNC has often voted on meeting locations. Did I miss
>>>>> where this one was delegated to staff?
>>>>>
>>>>> How much will this location cost us, Robert? Does it include food or
>>>>> any other considerations? Room nights?
>>>>>
>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, July 25, 2016, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Dec meeting will be at the Residence Inn next to the office on Duke
>>>>> St. I will send out full details and a reservation link by the end of
>>>>> the week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Live Free!
>>>>>
>>>>> *Robert*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
>>>>> Operations at LP.org
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>> 1444 Duke Street
>>>>> Alexandria, VA 22314
>>>>> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231
>>>>>
>>>>> Join today: https://www.lp.org/membership
>>>>> LP FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/libertarians
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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