[Lnc-business] Amended Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution - seeking co-sponsors

Whitney Bilyeu whitneycb76 at gmail.com
Wed Aug 10 21:12:36 EDT 2016


I would like an A-B vote, as well, at this point.

On Aug 10, 2016 11:22 AM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I want to be clear that I still support either and there are sufficient
> co-sponsors for both.  I have not withdrawn my support for the first option
> but merely extended support for the second.
>
> I asked Alicia for guidance here.  My preference would be an A-B vote.
> Since there is support for both, I think we should be able to choose one,
> both, or neither.
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Caryn and all.
>>
>> I noticed one minor error in the language of my proposed version of the
>> Colorado resolution – I forgot to add the word "and" after the first two
>> "Whereas" clauses, as I did for the others. I trust this change can be
>> incorporated into the proposal on the table without objection?
>>
>> The revised wording with changes would read:
>>
>> WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human
>>> right; and
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any
>>> level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the
>>> ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition; and
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due
>>> process and denies the legitimacy of laws against victimless "crimes”; a
>>> nd
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, governments in the United States have steadily encroached upon
>>> these rights by illegitimately regulating and restricting
>>> access to firearms and ammunition and may further seek to abrogate civil
>>> rights, and indeed the basic human right, to self-defense by prohibiting
>>> access to firearms and ammunition even in cases where a person has not
>>> been convicted of any crime; and
>>> WHEREAS some recent statements by Libertarian candidates appearing in
>>> the media have the potential to cause confusion among members of the public
>>> regarding how Libertarians view these issues;
>>>
>>> THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes
>>> any law or policy which would deny or restrict any person's access
>>> to firearms or ammunition simply as a result of their name
>>> appearing on a government watch or no-fly list, reaffirms both our
>>> party's opposition to any further regulations on firearms and ammunition as
>>> described above and our demand that all such existing regulations be
>>> repealed, and calls upon Libertarian candidates to uphold our party's
>>> pro-freedom stance.
>>>
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>                                  ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>                               (415) 625-FREE
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>> The CO chair indicates preference for theStarchild  amendment and I
>> brought this at the request of CO.  Thereby I amend my request.  Hayes,
>> Goldstein, and Katz do not co-sponsor the amendment.
>>
>> I seek the Secretary's instruction how to proceed.
>>
>> My primary support as requester falls to the Starchild amendment with
>> these co-sponsors:
>>
>> Starchild, Harlos, Vohra, Demarest
>>
>> I withdraw my prior request for ballot and request an email ballot
>> proceed on the Starchild amendment as it has the needed support and is the
>> preference of the state which asked me to submit.
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2016, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Per discussion with Caryn, I withdraw my suggested philosophical
>>> addition. I will vote in favor of Starchild’s original stronger version
>>> without my suggested addition.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE!*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *The Invisible Hand of Self-Interest is Mightier Than the Sword of
>>> Government!*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
>>> http://www.lpne.org
>>>
>>> secretary at lpne.org
>>>
>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net
>>>
>>> david.demarest at firstdata.com
>>>
>>> Cell: 402-981-6469
>>>
>>> Home: 402-493-0873
>>>
>>> Office: 402-222-7207
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* David Demarest [mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:28 AM
>>> *To:* 'lnc-business at hq.lp.org' <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>> *Cc:* david.demarest at firstdata.com; 'David Demarest' <
>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
>>> *Subject:* RE: [Lnc-business] Amended Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution
>>> - seeking co-sponsors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have reviewed the original and stronger language versions and will
>>> vote in favor of the stronger version which does an excellent job of
>>> getting to the heart of the matter, specifically what prompted the motion,
>>> and includes the necessary precisely detailed language.
>>>
>>> I would suggest adding the following if appropriate after wordsmithing,
>>> although this is more of a philosophical statement reflecting my personal
>>> perspective on the matter:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whereas: We affirm not only the right of all citizens to own and bear
>>> arms but also the need to stop abdicating our responsibility to protect
>>> ourselves to the government which the government can then use against us.
>>> Further, a well-armed citizenry is the best deterrent to both internal and
>>> external aggression and, rather than increasing the risk of violence, it
>>> would save many lives. [This is off the cuff - significant wordsmithing
>>> needed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE!*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
>>> http://www.lpne.org
>>>
>>> secretary at lpne.org
>>>
>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net
>>>
>>> david.demarest at firstdata.com
>>>
>>> Cell: 402-981-6469
>>>
>>> Home: 402-493-0873
>>>
>>> Office: 402-222-7207
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* David Demarest [mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:06 AM
>>> *To:* 'lnc-business at hq.lp.org' <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>> *Cc:* david.demarest at firstdata.com; 'David Demarest' <
>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
>>> *Subject:* RE: [Lnc-business] Amended Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution
>>> - seeking co-sponsors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Caryn. I am reviewing the stronger version as we speak and am
>>> leaning toward supporting the stronger version. I have not heard any
>>> justification for not going with the stronger version other than some will
>>> not vote in favor of it. I am willing to listen any justification.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
>>> http://www.lpne.org
>>>
>>> secretary at lpne.org
>>>
>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net
>>>
>>> david.demarest at firstdata.com
>>>
>>> Cell: 402-981-6469
>>>
>>> Home: 402-493-0873
>>>
>>> Office: 402-222-7207
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 6:51 AM
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Amended Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution
>>> - seeking co-sponsors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am sorry, I hit send too soon.... But my request is that we hold off
>>> going to ballot until members who might be tied up - particularly with
>>> ballot access can weigh in.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sponsor tally thus far:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My original resolution: Harlos, Hays, Katz, Goldstein, Vohra
>>>
>>> Starchild's amended resolution: Starchild, Harlos, Vohra
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> As I said before, I do support Starchild's language and if there were
>>> support for that motion, I would support the changes and will solicit
>>> the CO Chair's thoughts since I submitted the original resolution at their
>>> request.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I heard from another LNC member who may wish to weigh in but was tied up
>>> with ballot access issues and I ask that we wait until this member can
>>> weigh in.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2016, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all - I'm happy to cosponsor or vote for either motion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Tim, I did, and had the requisite support.  For some reason your
>>> message keep ending up in spam :(
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sam, Joshua, and Daniel, what are your issues with the changes I
>>> proposed? All of you have expressed a preference for the original language,
>>> but no one has said anything about why.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>
>>>                                  ((( starchild )))
>>>
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>>                              (415) 625-FREE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I too would rather go with the original language.
>>>
>>>
>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>
>>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am sticking with the motion sponsored by Harlos, Hayes, Katz, and,
>>> Goldstein.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>
>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2016, at 8:41 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I support the language I offered to co-sponsor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Live Free,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>> Member at Large
>>>
>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>
>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>
>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>
>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have to confess that the whole email ballot thing is cumbersome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How do the current co-sponsors feel about these changes?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd like to co-sponsor, but putting on my wordsmith hat, request the
>>> motion be reworded with the following typographical and substantive
>>> changes, if this is amenable to the sponsor, to read as follows (changes in
>>> red):
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human
>>> right;
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any
>>> level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership,
>>> manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition;
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due
>>> process and denies the legitimacy of laws against victimless "crimes”;
>>> and
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the governments in the United States have has steadily
>>> encroached upon these rights by illegitimately regulating and
>>> restricting access for to firearms and ammunition and may further seek
>>> to deprive people who have been convicted of no crime of their inherent
>>> right to full abrogate civil rights, and indeed the basic human right,
>>> to self-defense by prohibiting access denying their civil and inherent
>>> rights to obtain firearms and ammunition even in cases where a person
>>> has not been convicted of any crime; and
>>>
>>> WHEREAS some recent statements by Libertarian candidates appearing in
>>> the media have the potential to cause confusion among members of the public
>>> regarding how Libertarians view these issues;
>>>
>>> THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee
>>> opposes any law or policy which would deny or restrict any person's
>>> access to any firearms or ammunition to any person simply for being
>>> placed as a result of their name appearing on any a government watch or
>>> no-fly list, and reaffirms its both our party's opposition to any
>>> further and oppose existing or proposed regulations on firearms and
>>> ammunition as described above and our demand that all such existing
>>> regulations be repealed, and calls upon Libertarian candidates to uphold
>>> our party's pro-freedom stance.
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>
>>>                                  ((( starchild )))
>>>
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>>                                (415) 625-FREE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will also cosponsor this one.
>>>
>>>
>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>
>>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In furtherance of the request from CO and now AZ (and likely WA) for the
>>> LNC to consider a resolution similar to the CO Gun Rights and Watch Lists
>>> Resolution, and Sam Goldstein's commentary on my prior request, I offer a
>>> motion to adopt the following resolution:
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human
>>> right;
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any
>>> level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership,
>>> manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition;
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due
>>> process and deny the legitimacy of “victimless crimes”;
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the government has steadily encroached upon these rights by
>>> illegitimately regulating and restricting access for firearms
>>> and ammunition and may further seek to deprive people who have been
>>> convicted of no crime of their inherent right to full self-defense by
>>> denying their civil and inherent rights to obtain firearms and ammunition;
>>>
>>> BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes any
>>> policy which would deny access to any firearms or ammunition to any person
>>> simply for being placed on any government watch or no-fly list and
>>> reaffirms its call to repeal and oppose any existing or proposed firearm
>>> and ammunition regulations.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> --
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> --
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>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> www.VoteVohra.com
>>> VoteVohra at gmail.com
>>> (301) 320-3634
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
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