[Lnc-business] Fw: Fw: Motion: Assemblyman Moore - request for co-sponsors

Caryn Ann Harlos carynannharlos at gmail.com
Sun Oct 30 19:34:33 EDT 2016


Executive session is very narrow, and this would not apply.  If committee
members wished a decision to made based upon their opinions of the
leadership of an affiliate, they would either say it in full view of
members (and constituency) or hold their peace.  I have not seen your
statement and do not wish to, as I cannot agree to secrecy.

However, I do not believe it proper for secret communications to be used in
our public decisions, and I would ask that committee members not do so.
These votes and the fact that we gave money makes us accountable.  I am not
accountable in secret.



-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>


On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> John,
>
> If you do not choose to send a redacted statement, then I feel you leave
> me little choice but to rely on your original statement and make that
> public, because I would like to be informed at least to your immediate
> rationale for the votes in question, and I do not agree that this rationale
> should be hidden from our members. Although Tim may have told you (or he
> may not have, I am not sure) that he would keep the statement secret in
> accord with your wishes, I have made no such promise.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>                                    ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                                 (415) 625-FREE
>                                   @StarchildSF
>
>
> On Oct 30, 2016, at 4:08 PM, John Moore wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> Please pass on to members of the LNC,
>
> I have no intention of sending a  redacted statement. I have been present
> on two different occasions when the LNC used the "Executive session" to
> discuss issues in confidence and behind closed doors. This is no different
> in my view. If members choose not to read my statement that is their choice
> however they would then be casting a vote without being educated or having
> all of the facts.
>
> It appears that the LNC has and is using a "Double Standard"
>
> Thanks,
> John Moore
> Nevada State Assembly
>
> On Oct 30, 2016 3:46 PM, "John Moore" <john.moore at lpnevada.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Starchild,
>>
>> The LNC as well as every other political organization use the "Executive
>> session" to discuss issues in confidence behind closed doors so I consider
>> my statement to the LNC in that manner.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John John Moore
>> Nevada State Assembly
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2016 12:27 PM, "Starchild" <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> You're welcome John, and good to hear from you. Not infrequently when
>>> someone asks to tell me something in confidence, I will let them know it's
>>> better that they *not* tell me, because I don't want to be bound to
>>> keeping something secret if it turns out to be something that I think ought
>>> to be made public, not to mention it means more mental work for me to try
>>> to keep track of what I'm not supposed to tell others!
>>>
>>> When it comes to representative organizations (of which the Libertarian
>>> Party is one), I believe in institutional transparency. I think secrecy is
>>> way overused, to the detriment of our party. Circumstances in which some
>>> members of a group have access to information that others do not tends to
>>> create a two-tiered or multi-tiered group in which insiders have more
>>> power, and that is anathema to bottom-up governance. One of the faults of
>>> party leadership, in my view, is that we have often been too insular and
>>> too much of the opinion that we can't trust ordinary LP members with
>>> information.
>>>
>>> If you feel it is productive to share your views about the Nevada LP
>>> leadership with members of the LNC, my opinion is that other party members
>>> also ought to have the benefit of hearing those views, and that if you feel
>>> they cannot productively be shared with members of the public, then it is
>>> probably not productive to share them with the LNC either and I would
>>> suggest you redact them from your statement before you send it to us.
>>> Please note that I'm not arguing either for redaction or for sharing with
>>> the world in this case – not knowing what you may have to say, there's no
>>> way for me to know whether I would consider it in the best interests of the
>>> party and movement that you keep this information to yourself, or make it
>>> known to a wider audience.
>>>
>>> But if we were to agree to accept your statement on the condition of
>>> keeping it secret, we would be putting ourselves in the position of
>>> receiving negative input about other Libertarian Party members without
>>> those members knowing what was being said about them or having any
>>> opportunity to respond to the points being made, and that does not seem
>>> fair or desirable. If Nevada LP officials had come to us while we were
>>> debating whether to donate to your campaign, and given us information
>>> critical of you but asked that we keep it secret, my response would have
>>> been similar.
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>                                    ((( starchild )))
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>                                 (415) 625-FREE
>>>                                    @StarchildSF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 5:30 AM, John Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you starchild for your response to my statement.  The reason I
>>> have it marked as "confidential" is for the statements that I made
>>> regarding the Nevada Libertarian party leadership. I respect your opinion
>>> and input on this issue.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John Moore
>>> Nevada State Assembly
>>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2016 11:11 PM, "Starchild" <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Tim, that answers my question (i.e. he didn't say why he wants
>>>> secrecy). Since votes on the motion are due Monday but that being Halloween
>>>> I might forget if I wait until the last day, I'll probably vote tomorrow
>>>> evening. If you (or John) have sent me the attached documents by then, I'll
>>>> read them and take what he has to say into consideration when voting.
>>>>
>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>                                    ((( starchild )))
>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>                                 (415) 625-FREE
>>>>                                   @StarchildSF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 10:53 PM, Tim Hagan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is the e-mail I received from John Moore, but with the attachments
>>>> removed. The documents attached started with a statement that he considers
>>>> it to be a confidential document to be shared only with the Libertarian
>>>> National Committee as well as all contents of his statement.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Hagan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>>>> *From:* John Moore <john.moore at lpnevada.org>
>>>> *To:* Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:25 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Fw: [Lnc-business] Motion: Assemblyman Moore - request
>>>> for co-sponsors
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>
>>>> Please pass the attached documents to the LNC. Please do not
>>>> disseminate the contents with anyone outside of the LNC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> John Moore
>>>> Nevada Assembly
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> As you've probably already heard, many Libertarians are disappointed
>>>> and perplexed about your votes during the special session. Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> is moving the motion below in the Libertarian National Committee
>>>> concerning your votes in support of tax increases. Let me know if you
>>>> have anything you wish me to pass on to the LNC. She and her co-sponsors
>>>> are asking for an e-mail ballot, so the debate and votes will be via e-mail
>>>> during the next ten days.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Tim Hagan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@ hq.lp.org
>>>> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2016 7:45 PM
>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Motion: Assemblyman Moore - request for
>>>> co-sponsors
>>>>
>>>> Multiple party members including region 1 members have acted that the
>>>> LNC take action regarding Assemblyman Moore. While normally, I would say
>>>> that is solely an issue for the state party to handle, unless possibly, a
>>>> Federal candidate, but in this case, we spent National Party member's
>>>> direct monies, and thus I do agree this is our responsibility.  As someone
>>>> who advocated for the funds allocation, I believe it is my responsibility
>>>> to address this once members raised a concern:
>>>>
>>>> *Whereas Nevada Assemblyman John Moore, a former Republican who in
>>>> January 2016 switched to the Libertarian Party while in office, has during
>>>> the past month voted not once but twice in the span of as many days to
>>>> raise taxes on his constituents, including a vote to support a "More Cops"
>>>> tax which the Libertarian Party of Nevada has tirelessly and thus far
>>>> successfully opposed, and a vote to provide a $750 million subsidy to
>>>> finance a billionaire-owned sports stadium at the expense of, among others,
>>>> indigent persons renting weekly rooms in motels; and*
>>>>
>>>> *Whereas the elected leaders of our state affiliate party in Nevada
>>>> have rightfully voted to censure Assemblyman Moore for these egregious
>>>> votes; and*
>>>>
>>>> *Whereas we wish to convey a strong message to all and sundry that
>>>> while we welcome sitting legislators in the Republican or Democrat
>>>> parties who decide to switch to the Libertarian Party as an act of
>>>> conscience, we do not welcome them if they intend, as members of our party,
>>>> to continue voting and acting like Republicans or Democrats;*
>>>>
>>>> *Therefore be it resolved that the Libertarian National Committee
>>>> hereby censures Assemblyman Moore for his recent votes in support of tax
>>>> increases, requests that he return the $10,000 campaign contribution which
>>>> the LNC this season voted to send him, and admonishes him to henceforward
>>>> be a better champion of the values held by members of the political party
>>>> with which he has chosen to affiliate if he intends to remain a
>>>> Libertarian.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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