[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data loss)

Sam Goldstein goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
Tue Nov 15 16:02:24 EST 2016


Ken,

Here is the most recent version of the Policy Manual that I have on my
computer.

And yes, every single document generated by a member of the party over
the past 40 years must be on the web site for total transparency.


Sam

Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
Member at Large
8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
Indianapolis IN 46260
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On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:

>
> Wes, as soon as I get done with this 3PM call I'll reach out to you.
>
> ---
>
> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
>
>
>
> On 2016-11-15 14:18, Wes Benedict wrote:
>
> Ken, the technical issues with the website definitely have not been
> resolved.
>
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.orgfacebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>
> On 11/15/2016 2:09 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>
>
> Caryn, et al -
>
> I believe the technical issues have been resolved with the website at this
> point. Things look like they're moving pretty quickly and cleanly.
>
> I know there are issues with the new website regarding content, and we
> definitely need to resolve them.  Certainly we need to put meeting minutes
> back online, in compliance with the bylaws. Assuming the technical issues
> are resoled, I'm sure that will happen in the near future.
>
> But this brings up a larger issue: does everything from before need to be
> there?  How far back do we go? Should every bit of content from the old
> site be available on the new site?
>
>
> Also, I still can't find the Policy Manual, so I don't know if APRC need
> to approve additions and/or subtractions from the website.  If not the
> APRC, who decides when data expires?
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
>
>
>
> On 2016-11-15 13:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> No word yet on this missing data I suppose?
>
> I was directed to a link I needed for research and..... a 404
>
> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf
>
> This is not acceptable.
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
>
> , Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Moulton supplemented:
>>
>> LNC members,
>>
>> I want to follow up on this point.  I was just looking at 404 errors
>> before.  In fact, the problem is much, much, much, much worse.
>>
>> The candidate listings that do exist (are not 404 errors, were properly
>> redirected) are mostly just stubs that include only their names.
>>
>> These are our statewide candidates in Pennsylvania:
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/
>>
>> It might be hard to tell they are our statewide candidates because their
>> listings include only the following information:
>> * LP logo
>> * Name
>>
>> Their listings DO NOT INCLUDE any of the following information:
>> * State
>> * Office/district
>> * Picture
>> * Biography
>> * Website link
>> * Facebook
>> * Twitter
>> * Contact info
>>
>> If you think this problem is limited to states with less political
>> connections, you are wrong.
>>
>> Here are a few listings from people running very active campaigns:
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/
>>
>> (Disclosure note: I donated to Aaron Starr's campaign.)
>>
>> Here are a few other candidates you may recognize:
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/ (404 error)
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/
>>
>> Here is one of the few candidate pages with actual information:
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/
>>
>> Note that even that trails off at the end... "As an experienced PhD
>> petroleum engineer and former UT petroleum engineering faculty member, he
>> will undoubtedly be the most qualified candidate on the November 201".
>> Also the Facebook and Twitter links are broken.  And it doesn't mention
>> what office he is seeking.  Nice that the LNC donated thousands of dollars
>> to his campaign... too bad no one bothered to spend 5 minutes fixing the
>> errors in his candidate listing.
>>
>> Of course, his old page does not redirect:
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/
>>
>> John Moore is a 404 page:
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/
>>
>> As is Laura Ebke:
>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/
>>
>> TODAY IS ELECTION DAY.  What a wasted opportunity!!!
>>
>> Maybe if we hadn't shut down our working website 2 weeks before the
>> election and replaced it with a buggy new website with 83% data loss and
>> long load times (using a lot of precious staff time at their busiest
>> period), we could have listed and promoted some of our candidates.
>>
>> Please, please, PLEASE exercise some actual oversight as a board and do
>> something about the critical and embarrassing error torpedoing one of our
>> greatest assets (on the eve of the election): our national lp.org
>>  website.
>>
>> I've received feedback asking me if I was being over the top or facetious
>> suggesting someone should be FIRED or REMOVED FROM THE LNC over this.  I
>> was not.  I am completely serious.  What was done to the website goes
>> beyond a harmless error.  It goes beyond reckless.  It was NEGLIGENT.
>> Someone should be held accountable for all the damage that has been done to
>> the Libertarian Party -- an organization we all have poured time and money
>> into for decades hoping to see it succeed.
>>
>> Thank you for your consideration.
>>
>> Chuck Moulton
>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>
>> P.S. I voted proudly for Gary Johnson and the other Libertarians on the
>> Pennsylvania ballot today.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For the public's information.  A ton of ideological links are, in fact,
>>> broken.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Chuck Moulton <chuck at moulton.org>
>>> Date: Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data loss)
>>>
>>>
>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>
>>>> What would be useful right now would be if you could point out the
>>>> broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to them.
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd love to set up
>>>> additional forwards.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kevin,
>>>
>>> Glad to help!
>>>
>>> Obviously, it is much easier for you to see what redirects need to be
>>> made, as you have access to the old website, the new website, and the 404
>>> logs.  However, you seem to be having trouble with this, so I'll provide
>>> you with the information you need.
>>>
>>> It would be very difficult to compile a list of all incoming links to
>>> lp.org without access to the server logs.  Therefore, I used Google's
>>> search results, which is a reasonable proxy for outside links.  I searched
>>> for "site:lp.org", then I did followup searches for all directories I
>>> found with "site:lp.org inurl:lp.org/blog" (for example) because Google
>>> does not list all the results it has indexed without narrow searches.  This
>>> netted 2,531 unique URLs indexed by Google.  I wrote a program in Python to
>>> scrape that information.
>>>
>>> Next, Stewart Flood wrote a Perl program to check every URL on my list
>>> and find out whether it threw a 404 error.  (He also checked for load times
>>> and other information, which we will highlight in a subsequent report.)
>>> Sorry this took so long... Stewart was busy watching the World Series.  We
>>> re-ran the script several times this week to see if staff added any
>>> redirects... they only added one page: /contribute.  The program can be
>>> re-run at any time to track what's been added.  Not all of the missing URLs
>>> should necessarily be carried forward, but a lot of historical information
>>> is no longer present.
>>>
>>> Our results are included in the attachments.  (Note: In the summary
>>> page, these are groupings by directory, not the actual URLs.)
>>>
>>> Basically, 83% of the webpages indexed by Google have not been carried
>>> over or properly redirected.
>>>
>>>
>>> In liberty,
>>>
>>> Chuck Moulton
>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>> 2006-2008 IT Committee Chair
>>>
>>> Stewart Flood
>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>> 2008-2012 IT Committee Chair
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
>
>
>
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