[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data loss)
Wes Benedict
wes.benedict at lp.org
Tue Nov 15 18:56:26 EST 2016
Yes, from August 25 through September 12 the APRC was bombarded with
pages to review for compliance, discuss, make edits, make updates. They
deserve a huge thank you for the hundreds of emails with content they
had to review.
Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
On 11/15/2016 6:20 PM, Brett Bittner wrote:
>
> As Chair of the APRC, I can say that all new content was considered
> far ahead of the launch date, Sam.
>
> Brett
>
> **This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos.
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2016 18:04, "Starchild" <sfdreamer at earthlink.net
> <mailto:sfdreamer at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
> Sam,
>
> I don't know of any volunteers who are working harder than Caryn
> herself. I think her concerns are spot on. Yet rather than giving
> her credit for being diligent, you appear to verge on calling her
> paranoid, and insist that all the missing content will
> "eventually" appear on the new site.
>
> I know you have often opposed transparency, but would you find
> this sort of indefinite schedule acceptable in another context –
> if for instance you were given a vague assurance by someone
> expressing confidence that you would "eventually" get paid for
> work you performed? Somehow I doubt it. Why should we take the
> content on the Libertarian Party's website any less seriously than
> one person getting paid?
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (415) 625-FREE
> @StarchildSF
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>
>> Caryn Ann,
>>
>> Even paranoids have enemies but I doubt that this is the case.
>> As Wes points out, it is merely
>> a matter of prioritizing time following an extremely busy
>> election season.
>>
>> I'm sure that all missing information will eventually appear on
>> the wonderful new web site it might
>> just take a while.I didn't realize that the APRC has to approve
>> every single page which I'm sure is
>> causing some major delays.
>>
>> Why is it that every time something like this come up you think
>> the worst of everyone involved instead
>> of giving credit to some very hard work being done both
>> publically and behind the scenes?
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Member at Large
>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>> 317-850-0726 <tel:317-850-0726> Phone
>> 317-582-1773 <tel:317-582-1773> Fax
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Wes Benedict
>> <wes.benedict at lp.org <mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Caryn, for any failures to comply with bylaws via document
>> posting, I can do a quick workaround to post files in a
>> temporary manner if we don't have them posted through normal
>> channels by this Friday.
>>
>> Remind me, is is just the LNC meeting minutes not being
>> posted that are the bylaws violation? If there are other
>> things violating the bylaws, please send me a note with those
>> again. Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <tel:%28202%29%20333-0008%20ext.%20232>,wes.benedict at lp.org <mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org>
>> facebook.com/libertarians <http://facebook.com/libertarians> @LPNational
>> Join the Libertarian Party at:http://lp.org/membership
>>
>> On 11/15/2016 5:06 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>> Sam - while clever - there is absolutely zero reason we
>>> should have data loss simply because we have a new site.
>>> That must be a conscious LNC decision. I do not intend on
>>> letting this drop.
>>>
>>> Further - and as you know because I was one of the loudest
>>> complaining members - members were assured that there would
>>> be no content culling. Members then expressed skepticism at
>>> that promise and felt they were being a fed a load of hooey.
>>>
>>> Let's not show that they in fact were.
>>>
>>> The look of the site is nice. The ideological rebranding and
>>> the loss of content is precisely what members were promised
>>> would not happen.
>>>
>>> Unless the LNC makes some decision on this to settle it- and
>>> then members can act accordingly - I have zero intention of
>>> letting this drop.
>>>
>>> This is unacceptable and against all assurances given to our
>>> members.
>>>
>>> I will note well that a lot of that content was generated
>>> and put up by paid staff. Paid by members. And now gone.
>>>
>>> Grumpy cat says nope.
>>>
>>> To answer Ken's question. Unless we are going to concede
>>> the LNC and website committee lied to members, then no one
>>> can make a decision to omit content. And in any event that
>>> is not APRC. APRC could potentially require that this
>>> Bylaws violation be done before anything else. But the rest
>>> is outside their scope.
>>>
>>> This is an LNC level decision.
>>>
>>> Just like the purposeful masthead rebranding.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>>> Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas,
>>> Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016, Sam Goldstein
>>> <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ken,
>>>
>>> Here is the most recent version of the Policy Manual
>>> that I have on my
>>> computer.
>>>
>>> And yes, every single document generated by a member of
>>> the party over
>>> the past 40 years must be on the web site for total
>>> transparency.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> Member at Large
>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>> 317-850-0726 <tel:317-850-0726> Phone
>>> 317-582-1773 <tel:317-582-1773> Fax
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Ken Moellman
>>> <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Wes, as soon as I get done with this 3PM call I'll
>>> reach out to you.
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2016-11-15 14:18, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ken, the technical issues with the website
>>>> definitely have not been resolved.
>>>>
>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232
>>>> <tel:%28202%29%20333-0008%20ext.%20232>,wes.benedict at lp.org
>>>> facebook.com/libertarians
>>>> <http://facebook.com/libertarians> @LPNational
>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at:http://lp.org/membership
>>>> On 11/15/2016 2:09 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Caryn, et al -
>>>>> I believe the technical issues have been resolved
>>>>> with the website at this point. Things look like
>>>>> they're moving pretty quickly and cleanly.
>>>>> I know there are issues with the new website
>>>>> regarding content, and we definitely need to
>>>>> resolve them. Certainly we need to put meeting
>>>>> minutes back online, in compliance with the
>>>>> bylaws. Assuming the technical issues are resoled,
>>>>> I'm sure that will happen in the near future.
>>>>> But this brings up a larger issue: does everything
>>>>> from before need to be there? How far back do we
>>>>> go? Should every bit of content from the old site
>>>>> be available on the new site?
>>>>> Also, I still can't find the Policy Manual, so I
>>>>> don't know if APRC need to approve additions
>>>>> and/or subtractions from the website. If not the
>>>>> APRC, who decides when data expires?
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-11-15 13:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No word yet on this missing data I suppose?
>>>>> I was directed to a link I needed for research
>>>>> and..... a 404
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf
>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf>
>>>>> This is not acceptable.
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>>>>> Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii,
>>>>> Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of
>>>>> Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>>>>> Radical Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>> , Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of
>>>>> Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>>>>> Radical Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann
>>>>> Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Moulton supplemented:
>>>>> LNC members,
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to follow up on this point. I was
>>>>> just looking at 404 errors before. In
>>>>> fact, the problem is much, much, much,
>>>>> much worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> The candidate listings that do exist (are
>>>>> not 404 errors, were properly redirected)
>>>>> are mostly just stubs that include only
>>>>> their names.
>>>>>
>>>>> These are our statewide candidates in
>>>>> Pennsylvania:
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/
>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/>
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/
>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/>
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/
>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/>
>>>>>
>>>>> It might be hard to tell they are our
>>>>> statewide candidates because their
>>>>> listings include only the following
>>>>> information:
>>>>> * LP logo
>>>>> * Name
>>>>>
>>>>> Their listings DO NOT INCLUDE any of the
>>>>> following information:
>>>>> * State
>>>>> * Office/district
>>>>> * Picture
>>>>> * Biography
>>>>> * Website link
>>>>> * Facebook
>>>>> * Twitter
>>>>> * Contact info
>>>>>
>>>>> If you think this problem is limited to
>>>>> states with less political connections,
>>>>> you are wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are a few listings from people
>>>>> running very active campaigns:
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/
>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/>
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/
>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/>
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/
>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/>
>>>>>
>>>>> (Disclosure note: I donated to Aaron
>>>>> Starr's campaign.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are a few other candidates you may
>>>>> recognize:
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/
>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/>
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/
>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/> (404
>>>>> error)
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/
>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is one of the few candidate pages
>>>>> with actual information:
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/
>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that even that trails off at the
>>>>> end... "As an experienced PhD petroleum
>>>>> engineer and former UT petroleum
>>>>> engineering faculty member, he will
>>>>> undoubtedly be the most qualified
>>>>> candidate on the November 201". Also the
>>>>> Facebook and Twitter links are broken.
>>>>> And it doesn't mention what office he is
>>>>> seeking. Nice that the LNC donated
>>>>> thousands of dollars to his campaign...
>>>>> too bad no one bothered to spend 5 minutes
>>>>> fixing the errors in his candidate listing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, his old page does not redirect:
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/
>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/>
>>>>>
>>>>> John Moore is a 404 page:
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/
>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/>
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/
>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/>
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/
>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/>
>>>>>
>>>>> As is Laura Ebke:
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/
>>>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/>
>>>>>
>>>>> TODAY IS ELECTION DAY. What a wasted
>>>>> opportunity!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe if we hadn't shut down our working
>>>>> website 2 weeks before the election and
>>>>> replaced it with a buggy new website with
>>>>> 83% data loss and long load times (using a
>>>>> lot of precious staff time at their
>>>>> busiest period), we could have listed and
>>>>> promoted some of our candidates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please, please, PLEASE exercise some
>>>>> actual oversight as a board and do
>>>>> something about the critical and
>>>>> embarrassing error torpedoing one of our
>>>>> greatest assets (on the eve of the
>>>>> election): our national lp.org
>>>>> <http://lp.org/> website.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've received feedback asking me if I was
>>>>> being over the top or facetious suggesting
>>>>> someone should be FIRED or REMOVED FROM
>>>>> THE LNC over this. I was not. I am
>>>>> completely serious. What was done to the
>>>>> website goes beyond a harmless error. It
>>>>> goes beyond reckless. It was NEGLIGENT.
>>>>> Someone should be held accountable for all
>>>>> the damage that has been done to the
>>>>> Libertarian Party -- an organization we
>>>>> all have poured time and money into for
>>>>> decades hoping to see it succeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your consideration.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian
>>>>> Party
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. I voted proudly for Gary Johnson and
>>>>> the other Libertarians on the Pennsylvania
>>>>> ballot today.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Caryn Ann
>>>>> Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For the public's information. A ton of
>>>>> ideological links are, in fact, broken.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: *Chuck Moulton* <chuck at moulton.org>
>>>>> Date: Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:21 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: LP.org <http://LP.org>
>>>>> website transition - missing pages
>>>>> (83% data loss)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What would be useful right now
>>>>> would be if you could point out the
>>>>> broken links so that we can assign
>>>>> permanent redirects to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit
>>>>> broken links, we'd love to set up
>>>>> additional forwards.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin,
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to help!
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously, it is much easier for you
>>>>> to see what redirects need to be made,
>>>>> as you have access to the old website,
>>>>> the new website, and the 404 logs.
>>>>> However, you seem to be having trouble
>>>>> with this, so I'll provide you with
>>>>> the information you need.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be very difficult to compile
>>>>> a list of all incoming links to lp.org
>>>>> <http://lp.org/> without access to the
>>>>> server logs. Therefore, I used
>>>>> Google's search results, which is a
>>>>> reasonable proxy for outside links. I
>>>>> searched for "site:lp.org
>>>>> <http://lp.org/>", then I did followup
>>>>> searches for all directories I found
>>>>> with "site:lp.org <http://lp.org/>
>>>>> inurl:lp.org/blog
>>>>> <http://lp.org/blog>" (for example)
>>>>> because Google does not list all the
>>>>> results it has indexed without narrow
>>>>> searches. This netted 2,531 unique
>>>>> URLs indexed by Google. I wrote a
>>>>> program in Python to scrape that
>>>>> information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next, Stewart Flood wrote a Perl
>>>>> program to check every URL on my list
>>>>> and find out whether it threw a 404
>>>>> error. (He also checked for load
>>>>> times and other information, which we
>>>>> will highlight in a subsequent
>>>>> report.) Sorry this took so long...
>>>>> Stewart was busy watching the World
>>>>> Series. We re-ran the script several
>>>>> times this week to see if staff added
>>>>> any redirects... they only added one
>>>>> page: /contribute. The program can be
>>>>> re-run at any time to track what's
>>>>> been added. Not all of the missing
>>>>> URLs should necessarily be carried
>>>>> forward, but a lot of historical
>>>>> information is no longer present.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our results are included in the
>>>>> attachments. (Note: In the summary
>>>>> page, these are groupings by
>>>>> directory, not the actual URLs.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically, 83% of the webpages indexed
>>>>> by Google have not been carried over
>>>>> or properly redirected.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In liberty,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger,
>>>>> Libertarian Party
>>>>> 2006-2008 IT Committee Chair
>>>>>
>>>>> Stewart Flood
>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger,
>>>>> Libertarian Party
>>>>> 2008-2012 IT Committee Chair
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian
>>>>> National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>>>>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana,
>>>>> Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian
>>>>> Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator,
>>>>> Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian
>>>>> National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>>>>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>>>>> Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party
>>>>> of Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian
>>>>> Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>>>>> Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii,
>>>>> Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of
>>>>> Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>>>>> Radical Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
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>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>>> Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
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