[Lnc-business] Judicial Committee

Thu Jun 2 09:24:58 EDT 2016

It wouldn't be the first time I was unusual, and this could be in part
because I am exposed to a lot of Frank Atwood and his advocacy of approval
voting.

The "don't understand it" is our fault.  I think the "too easy to game it"
falls under the don't understand it part and the fact that most of the
delegates were voting on torn up scraps of paper that don't inspire
confidence in the system.  Whether it would make a difference or not is
another matter, but perception of professionalism goes a long way.  I
really do not understand how we don't have something better than that....
but that is another conversation.

The ridiculous time to tabulate is true. And needs to be improved through
modernizing.  I know this has been soundly rejected by delegates before,
but geez louise we are dinosaurs in this.

Yes, an issue for Bylaws to consider, and I don't envy them selling any of
it to the delegates.

But yes, I do defend approval voting and ranked choice.  Both of them are
monstrously difficult to do manually, and trivially easy if we were
modernized.

In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative
(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:

>
>
> Everyone I've talked to about Approval Voting since the convention has
> been quite negative on it.  You're literally the first person to defend it,
> Caryn. :)
>
> Somewhere between the "don't understand it" and "too easy to game it", and
> compounded with "ridiculous time to tabulate", Approval Voting is not a
> good methodology.
>
> I'd personally recommend using IRV for all non-presidential/vp votes.  One
> round, and we can get on with it.  And the committee gets filled in
> appropriately. LPKY does this and it works like a champ.
>
> It's an issue for the Bylaws Committee to consider, anyway.
> ---
>
> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
>
>
>
> On 2016-06-02 08:28, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> Ken, I believe the voting technology and means we use are the problem, not
> approval voting itself.  I think most members would be positively riotous
> against the removal of approval voting, but the means by which we do it can
> certainly be improved.
>
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:12 AM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Alicia,
>>
>> I understand that you have a ridiculous amount of work to do.  As long as
>> it's on the agenda to get published, I think people will be fine.
>>
>> I'd like to explore a secure mechanism to increase voting efficiency -
>> both the voting and the tallying.
>>
>> I'd also like to see the death of Approval Voting.  Blech.
>> ---
>>
>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> Ballot Access Committee
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2016-06-02 01:45, Alicia Mattson wrote:
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Our standard operating procedure is that alternates freely comment on our
>> email list.
>>
>> I know your requests are well intended, but please keep in mind that my
>> post-convention to-do list is extremely long.  It includes, but is not
>> limited to:
>>
>>    - producing minutes for 2 LNC meetings
>>    - producing minutes for an EC meeting
>>    - generating nomination certificates for SOS offices to place our
>>    presidential ticket on the ballot in states where we already have ballot
>>    access
>>    - updating the bylaws
>>    - updating the platform
>>    - generating various data sets and articles for LPNews, media
>>    inquiries, etc.
>>    - producing minutes for the convention which conducted quite a bit of
>>    business while I was tabulating election results, so I have my records, an
>>    assistant's records, and a pile of slips of paper that were submitted that
>>    contain some of those motions, and a bunch of other ideas for motions that
>>    were never made
>>    - my email inbox is full of lots of requests that I won't get to
>>    immediately
>>
>> When the convention minutes are produced, it will contain state-by-state
>> breakdowns of each of the elections.  That info will be shared, but it just
>> cannot be at the top of my priority list at the moment.
>>
>> -Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:47 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have had 2 of the 4 chairs in Region 3 ask about seeing state totals
>>> and possibly even having the state ballots scanned in for Treasurer,
>>> At-Large, and Judicial Committee, since these were skipped over due to time
>>> constraints and thus there was no ability to contest any results.
>>>
>>> I don't know if it's proper for me to speak on this list as an
>>> Alternate. I reached out to Brett but he was busy today.  And since the
>>> issue came up, I thought I'd mention it, since it's topical.
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Ken Moellman
>>> Libertarian Party of Kentucky
>>> ken.moellman at lpky.org
>>> http://www.lpky.org/
>>> (859) OK-BE-LPK
>>> (859) 652-3575
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2016-06-01 21:24, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>>>
>>> Many members are asking about the JC results.  Can someone please
>>> post them here for distribution?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> Member at Large
>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
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> Caryn Ann
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In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative
(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
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