[Lnc-business] Judicial Committee

Thu Jun 2 09:37:55 EDT 2016

Joshua, having pads of paper that are title with voting  etc and
pre-printed are an expense but are WAY more professional.   Yes things
would still need to be handwritten in but having a tablet with some
pre-printing on it lends gravitas and feels personal to the delegate.

In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative
(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I favor approval voting for at-large and JC.  It is open to strategic
> voting - as are all methods of voting.  Delegation were provided with index
> cards; if a state decided to use torn up scraps of paper, that is their
> decision.  You might say an index card isn't professional either - well,
> it's more professional, and it just isn't practical to print up in the
> neighborhood of 1,000 ballots immediately after nominations.
>
> I agree that it would be far superior to use electronic voting.
>
> Joshua A. Katz
> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> It wouldn't be the first time I was unusual, and this could be in part
>> because I am exposed to a lot of Frank Atwood and his advocacy of approval
>> voting.
>>
>> The "don't understand it" is our fault.  I think the "too easy to game
>> it" falls under the don't understand it part and the fact that most of the
>> delegates were voting on torn up scraps of paper that don't inspire
>> confidence in the system.  Whether it would make a difference or not is
>> another matter, but perception of professionalism goes a long way.  I
>> really do not understand how we don't have something better than that....
>> but that is another conversation.
>>
>> The ridiculous time to tabulate is true. And needs to be improved through
>> modernizing.  I know this has been soundly rejected by delegates before,
>> but geez louise we are dinosaurs in this.
>>
>> Yes, an issue for Bylaws to consider, and I don't envy them selling any
>> of it to the delegates.
>>
>> But yes, I do defend approval voting and ranked choice.  Both of them are
>> monstrously difficult to do manually, and trivially easy if we were
>> modernized.
>>
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative
>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Everyone I've talked to about Approval Voting since the convention has
>>> been quite negative on it.  You're literally the first person to defend it,
>>> Caryn. :)
>>>
>>> Somewhere between the "don't understand it" and "too easy to game it",
>>> and compounded with "ridiculous time to tabulate", Approval Voting is not a
>>> good methodology.
>>>
>>> I'd personally recommend using IRV for all non-presidential/vp votes.
>>> One round, and we can get on with it.  And the committee gets filled in
>>> appropriately. LPKY does this and it works like a champ.
>>>
>>> It's an issue for the Bylaws Committee to consider, anyway.
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2016-06-02 08:28, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>> Ken, I believe the voting technology and means we use are the problem,
>>> not approval voting itself.  I think most members would be positively
>>> riotous against the removal of approval voting, but the means by which we
>>> do it can certainly be improved.
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Region 1 Representative
>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:12 AM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alicia,
>>>>
>>>> I understand that you have a ridiculous amount of work to do.  As long
>>>> as it's on the agenda to get published, I think people will be fine.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to explore a secure mechanism to increase voting efficiency -
>>>> both the voting and the tallying.
>>>>
>>>> I'd also like to see the death of Approval Voting.  Blech.
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>> Ballot Access Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2016-06-02 01:45, Alicia Mattson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ken,
>>>>
>>>> Our standard operating procedure is that alternates freely comment on
>>>> our email list.
>>>>
>>>> I know your requests are well intended, but please keep in mind that my
>>>> post-convention to-do list is extremely long.  It includes, but is not
>>>> limited to:
>>>>
>>>>    - producing minutes for 2 LNC meetings
>>>>    - producing minutes for an EC meeting
>>>>    - generating nomination certificates for SOS offices to place our
>>>>    presidential ticket on the ballot in states where we already have ballot
>>>>    access
>>>>    - updating the bylaws
>>>>    - updating the platform
>>>>    - generating various data sets and articles for LPNews, media
>>>>    inquiries, etc.
>>>>    - producing minutes for the convention which conducted quite a bit
>>>>    of business while I was tabulating election results, so I have my records,
>>>>    an assistant's records, and a pile of slips of paper that were submitted
>>>>    that contain some of those motions, and a bunch of other ideas for motions
>>>>    that were never made
>>>>    - my email inbox is full of lots of requests that I won't get to
>>>>    immediately
>>>>
>>>> When the convention minutes are produced, it will contain
>>>> state-by-state breakdowns of each of the elections.  That info will be
>>>> shared, but it just cannot be at the top of my priority list at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> -Alicia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:47 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have had 2 of the 4 chairs in Region 3 ask about seeing state totals
>>>>> and possibly even having the state ballots scanned in for Treasurer,
>>>>> At-Large, and Judicial Committee, since these were skipped over due to time
>>>>> constraints and thus there was no ability to contest any results.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if it's proper for me to speak on this list as an
>>>>> Alternate. I reached out to Brett but he was busy today.  And since the
>>>>> issue came up, I thought I'd mention it, since it's topical.
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken Moellman
>>>>> Libertarian Party of Kentucky
>>>>> ken.moellman at lpky.org
>>>>> http://www.lpky.org/
>>>>> (859) OK-BE-LPK
>>>>> (859) 652-3575
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-06-01 21:24, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Many members are asking about the JC results.  Can someone please
>>>>> post them here for distribution?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
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>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative
>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
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In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative
(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
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