[Lnc-business] Fw: Re: [GrassrootsLibertarians] Re: [lpradicals] Re: [Lnc-votes] Fwd: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies

Tue Jun 7 17:39:09 EDT 2016

By national membership allocations?

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ken,
>
> How would you implement having state delegations elect JC members?  One
> state one vote?
>
> One state seven votes?
>
> Sam
>
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> Member at Large
> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
> Indianapolis IN 46260
> 317-850-0726 Phone
> 317-582-1773 Fax
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> A bylaw change will be necessary, and I hope that the Bylaws Committee
>> addresses this in 2018. We'll also need a motion to suspend the rules to
>> make it take effect immediately rather than at the 2020 convention. My
>> preferred solution is to dump Approval Voting.
>>
>> Further, I'd like to submit for consideration the idea of having the JC
>> elected by state delegations rather than by individual delegates.  This
>> would create a scenario where different interests are being protected than
>> those already protected by the popularly-elected LNC.  I'm open to other
>> ideas, but I make this suggestion because I am a strong believer in making
>> sure that various levels are representing different interests. (Just like
>> the Region Reps also represent different interests than the At-Large Reps).
>> ---
>>
>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2016-06-06 13:42, sfdreamer at earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>> Forwarding comments from a member on this issue...
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>                           ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>                   RealReform at earthlink.net
>>                          (415) 625-FREE
>>
>> P.S. - On an unrelated matter, another member tells me that he is having
>> difficulty reading my emails to the LNC list, that they are coming through
>> as strange attachments. Is anyone else subscribed on a read-only basis
>> having this trouble with my emails or anyone else's? If you are, please let
>> me know.
>>
>>
>> -----Forwarded Message-----
>> From: "Carol Moore 4liberty at carolmoore.net [GrassrootsLibertarians]"
>> Sent: Jun 3, 2016 3:27 PM
>> To: GrassrootsLibertarians at yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> Subject: Re: [GrassrootsLibertarians] Re: [lpradicals] Re: [Lnc-votes]
>> [Lnc-business] Fwd: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously the bylaws need changing.  If there should be some important
>> decision where the judiciary committee must make an important decision, any
>> member might challenge it on the basis of its being vs. the bylaws.
>> Including a person who might need a judiciary committee spanking.
>>
>> I feel like doing a straw poll of those names and seeing if there is
>> someone most people actively disapprove of.   I know I think one is great
>> and another is questionable. So wonder what others would think.
>>
>> It might also help to encourage LNC to have a deadline for running for
>> office. Not a deadline for being nominated, but a deadline for being listed
>> in a handout sheet, preferably something that goes in the delegate package,
>> with a short bio. This would make candidates think more seriously about
>> running in advance and give delegates who chose to study the list a chance
>> to look at qualifications. It wouldn't just be based on a chance meeting
>> with a prospective member, a recommendation from a seat mate, or what name
>> sounded coolest to you - or whatever.
>>
>> On 6/3/2016 2:37 PM, Letitia Pepper letitiapepper at yahoo.com
>> [GrassrootsLibertarians] wrote:
>>
>>
>> I support Starchild's analysis of this problem.  All efforts must be made
>> to prevent disenfranchising members.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:20 AM, sfdreamer at earthlink.net [lpradicals] <
>> lpradicals at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> This approach of committees filling their own vacancies without regard to
>> convention delegates' preferences on the grounds that only a minority of
>> candidates for those vacancies received the affirmative approval of a
>> majority of delegates seems ill-advised to me. Failing to receive such
>> approval is clearly not the same thing as receiving the delegates' active
>> *disapproval*. Nor is there any guarantee that subsequently appointed
>> members of a committee would have received majority approval at convention.
>> It is possible that one or more individuals appointed in this case would
>> have received a lower approval percentage than the four next highest
>> vote-getters at the convention had they chosen to actively run for seats on
>> the Judicial Committee.
>>
>> *We seem to have a situation in which a majority of the candidates for
>> office receiving the most votes at convention are routinely not meeting the
>> 50% threshold required by "approval voting". Thus if the method employed by
>> the remaining members of the Judicial Committee in proposing to fill the
>> vacancies were to become standard practice, the result could be a
>> significant disenfranchisement our membership*. it raises the prospect
>> that an individual could have a better chance of getting onto a committee
>> by privately expressing his or her interest in serving to the existing
>> committee members, than by actually running for the position and seeking
>> the approval of convention delegates. I do not think LP members anticipated
>> or desired such an outcome when they were convinced to adopt approval
>> voting.
>>
>> I therefore urge the members of the Judicial Committee to reconsider this
>> decision, and appoint the next four highest vote-getters to the four seats
>> in question, as the LNC did in filling the majority of its vacancies which
>> were similarly unfilled as a result of m Indeed ost of the delegates'
>> choices not receiving more than 50% of the vote. My recommendation is not
>> based on any political favoritism toward those individuals – with whose
>> identities I am in any case not acquainted – or any animus toward Michael
>> Badnarik, John Buttrick, Bill Hall, and Rob Latham, all of whom strike me
>> as sound and well-qualified choices. I write strictly from the point of
>> view of upholding bottom-up, grassroots governance in the Libertarian Party.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>                             ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>                           (415) 625-FREE
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lnc-votes at hq.lp.org
>> Sent: Jun 3, 2016 8:41 AM
>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Fwd: Remaining Members of
>> Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies
>>
>> I have been asked by a member in my region to inquire:
>>
>> Can someone verify eligibility for the three elected and 4 appointed
>> members? Specifically, can the " All Judicial Committee members shall have
>> been Party members at least four years at the time of their selection."
>> portion?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brett C. Bittner
>>
>> brett at brettbittner.com
>> 404.492.6524
>>
>> "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much
>> liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:20 AM, Alicia Mattson <secretary at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Forwarding a message by request.
>>>
>>> -Alicia
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Gary Johnson <sedition at aol.com>
>>> Date: Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:03 PM
>>> Subject: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies
>>> To: secretary at lp.org, AliciaDearn at bellatrixlaw.com, chuck at moulton.org,
>>> scholar at constitutionpreservation.org, jabuttrick at gmail.com,
>>> whall at wnj.com, rob at roblatham.pro
>>> Cc: Rebecca Sink-Burris <rebecca.sinkburris at gmail.com>, Roger Roots <
>>> rogerroots at msn.com>, Michael Dixon <dixonconsultinginc at gmail.com>, M
>>> Carling <mcarling at gmail.com>, John Bowers <bojo3191 at aol.com>, Michael
>>> Kielsky <Michael at krazlaw.com>, mikeljane <mikeljane at gmail.com>, steven
>>> r Linnabary <linnabary51 at gmail.com>, Robert Jim Fulner <
>>> jim.fulner at member.fsf.org>, "Christopher R. Maden" <crism at maden.org>,
>>> Jeffrey Mortenson <jwmort at yahoo.com>, Thomas Robert Stevens <
>>> drtomstevens at aol.com>, Tom Lippman <tnlippman at juno.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Alicia Mattson,
>>>
>>> Please post this message online on the LNC Business list:
>>>
>>> The Judicial Committee is supposed to have seven members. Only three
>>> received a majority in the approval voting process at the 2016 national
>>> convention.
>>>
>>> The three members of the Judicial Committee elected by the delegates,
>>> Alicia Dearn, Gary Johnson of Texas, and Chuck Moulton, have communicated
>>> by email.
>>>
>>> We have ruled unanimously that, as the "remaining members" of the
>>> committee, we have the authority to fill vacancies, although we are less
>>> than the quorum of five specified in the bylaws.
>>>
>>> We have decided informally to reject, by 1 to 2, the idea of filling the
>>> vacancies with the next four vote getters.
>>>
>>> We have decided unanimously to fill the vacancies with four individuals
>>> who were not nominated at the convention and therefore were not
>>> "disapproved" of by a majority of the delegates in the approval voting
>>> process.
>>>
>>> We have voted unanimously by email ballot to fill the vacancies with
>>> Michael Badnarik, John Buttrick, Bill Hall, and Rob Latham.
>>>
>>> Alicia Dearn
>>> Gary Johnson
>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>
>>>
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