[Lnc-business] Fw: Re: [GrassrootsLibertarians] Re: [lpradicals] Re: [Lnc-votes] Fwd: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies

Whitney Bilyeu whitneycb76 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 7 17:56:15 EDT 2016 

Isn't that the same as each region having 1 vote?  I assume all 7 votes
would be cast for the same candidate...?

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
wrote:

> No, that would give very heavy weight to the top states and smaller states
> would have no say
> in the matter.  Perhaps voting by Region with each region getting 7 votes.
>
>
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> Member at Large
> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
> Indianapolis IN 46260
> 317-850-0726 Phone
> 317-582-1773 Fax
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> By national membership allocations?
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Ken,
>>>
>>> How would you implement having state delegations elect JC members?  One
>>> state one vote?
>>>
>>> One state seven votes?
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> Member at Large
>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A bylaw change will be necessary, and I hope that the Bylaws Committee
>>>> addresses this in 2018. We'll also need a motion to suspend the rules to
>>>> make it take effect immediately rather than at the 2020 convention. My
>>>> preferred solution is to dump Approval Voting.
>>>>
>>>> Further, I'd like to submit for consideration the idea of having the JC
>>>> elected by state delegations rather than by individual delegates.  This
>>>> would create a scenario where different interests are being protected than
>>>> those already protected by the popularly-elected LNC.  I'm open to other
>>>> ideas, but I make this suggestion because I am a strong believer in making
>>>> sure that various levels are representing different interests. (Just like
>>>> the Region Reps also represent different interests than the At-Large Reps).
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2016-06-06 13:42, sfdreamer at earthlink.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Forwarding comments from a member on this issue...
>>>>
>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>                           ((( starchild )))
>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>                   RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>                          (415) 625-FREE
>>>>
>>>> P.S. - On an unrelated matter, another member tells me that he is
>>>> having difficulty reading my emails to the LNC list, that they are coming
>>>> through as strange attachments. Is anyone else subscribed on a read-only
>>>> basis having this trouble with my emails or anyone else's? If you are,
>>>> please let me know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Forwarded Message-----
>>>> From: "Carol Moore 4liberty at carolmoore.net [GrassrootsLibertarians]"
>>>> Sent: Jun 3, 2016 3:27 PM
>>>> To: GrassrootsLibertarians at yahoogroups.com
>>>> Cc: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [GrassrootsLibertarians] Re: [lpradicals] Re: [Lnc-votes]
>>>> [Lnc-business] Fwd: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Obviously the bylaws need changing.  If there should be some important
>>>> decision where the judiciary committee must make an important decision, any
>>>> member might challenge it on the basis of its being vs. the bylaws.
>>>> Including a person who might need a judiciary committee spanking.
>>>>
>>>> I feel like doing a straw poll of those names and seeing if there is
>>>> someone most people actively disapprove of.   I know I think one is great
>>>> and another is questionable. So wonder what others would think.
>>>>
>>>> It might also help to encourage LNC to have a deadline for running for
>>>> office. Not a deadline for being nominated, but a deadline for being listed
>>>> in a handout sheet, preferably something that goes in the delegate package,
>>>> with a short bio. This would make candidates think more seriously about
>>>> running in advance and give delegates who chose to study the list a chance
>>>> to look at qualifications. It wouldn't just be based on a chance meeting
>>>> with a prospective member, a recommendation from a seat mate, or what name
>>>> sounded coolest to you - or whatever.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/3/2016 2:37 PM, Letitia Pepper letitiapepper at yahoo.com
>>>> [GrassrootsLibertarians] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I support Starchild's analysis of this problem.  All efforts must be
>>>> made to prevent disenfranchising members.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:20 AM, sfdreamer at earthlink.net [lpradicals] <
>>>> lpradicals at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This approach of committees filling their own vacancies without regard
>>>> to convention delegates' preferences on the grounds that only a minority of
>>>> candidates for those vacancies received the affirmative approval of a
>>>> majority of delegates seems ill-advised to me. Failing to receive such
>>>> approval is clearly not the same thing as receiving the delegates' active
>>>> *disapproval*. Nor is there any guarantee that subsequently appointed
>>>> members of a committee would have received majority approval at convention.
>>>> It is possible that one or more individuals appointed in this case would
>>>> have received a lower approval percentage than the four next highest
>>>> vote-getters at the convention had they chosen to actively run for seats on
>>>> the Judicial Committee.
>>>>
>>>> *We seem to have a situation in which a majority of the candidates for
>>>> office receiving the most votes at convention are routinely not meeting the
>>>> 50% threshold required by "approval voting". Thus if the method employed by
>>>> the remaining members of the Judicial Committee in proposing to fill the
>>>> vacancies were to become standard practice, the result could be a
>>>> significant disenfranchisement our membership*. it raises the prospect
>>>> that an individual could have a better chance of getting onto a committee
>>>> by privately expressing his or her interest in serving to the existing
>>>> committee members, than by actually running for the position and seeking
>>>> the approval of convention delegates. I do not think LP members anticipated
>>>> or desired such an outcome when they were convinced to adopt approval
>>>> voting.
>>>>
>>>> I therefore urge the members of the Judicial Committee to reconsider
>>>> this decision, and appoint the next four highest vote-getters to the four
>>>> seats in question, as the LNC did in filling the majority of its vacancies
>>>> which were similarly unfilled as a result of m Indeed ost of the delegates'
>>>> choices not receiving more than 50% of the vote. My recommendation is not
>>>> based on any political favoritism toward those individuals – with whose
>>>> identities I am in any case not acquainted – or any animus toward Michael
>>>> Badnarik, John Buttrick, Bill Hall, and Rob Latham, all of whom strike me
>>>> as sound and well-qualified choices. I write strictly from the point of
>>>> view of upholding bottom-up, grassroots governance in the Libertarian Party.
>>>>
>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>                             ((( starchild )))
>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>                           (415) 625-FREE
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: lnc-votes at hq.lp.org
>>>> Sent: Jun 3, 2016 8:41 AM
>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Fwd: Remaining Members of
>>>> Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies
>>>>
>>>> I have been asked by a member in my region to inquire:
>>>>
>>>> Can someone verify eligibility for the three elected and 4 appointed
>>>> members? Specifically, can the " All Judicial Committee members shall have
>>>> been Party members at least four years at the time of their selection."
>>>> portion?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brett C. Bittner
>>>>
>>>> brett at brettbittner.com
>>>> 404.492.6524
>>>>
>>>> "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much
>>>> liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:20 AM, Alicia Mattson <secretary at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Forwarding a message by request.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Gary Johnson <sedition at aol.com>
>>>>> Date: Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:03 PM
>>>>> Subject: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies
>>>>> To: secretary at lp.org, AliciaDearn at bellatrixlaw.com, chuck at moulton.org,
>>>>> scholar at constitutionpreservation.org, jabuttrick at gmail.com,
>>>>> whall at wnj.com, rob at roblatham.pro
>>>>> Cc: Rebecca Sink-Burris <rebecca.sinkburris at gmail.com>, Roger Roots <
>>>>> rogerroots at msn.com>, Michael Dixon <dixonconsultinginc at gmail.com>, M
>>>>> Carling <mcarling at gmail.com>, John Bowers <bojo3191 at aol.com>, Michael
>>>>> Kielsky <Michael at krazlaw.com>, mikeljane <mikeljane at gmail.com>,
>>>>> steven r Linnabary <linnabary51 at gmail.com>, Robert Jim Fulner <
>>>>> jim.fulner at member.fsf.org>, "Christopher R. Maden" <crism at maden.org>,
>>>>> Jeffrey Mortenson <jwmort at yahoo.com>, Thomas Robert Stevens <
>>>>> drtomstevens at aol.com>, Tom Lippman <tnlippman at juno.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Alicia Mattson,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please post this message online on the LNC Business list:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Judicial Committee is supposed to have seven members. Only three
>>>>> received a majority in the approval voting process at the 2016 national
>>>>> convention.
>>>>>
>>>>> The three members of the Judicial Committee elected by the delegates,
>>>>> Alicia Dearn, Gary Johnson of Texas, and Chuck Moulton, have communicated
>>>>> by email.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have ruled unanimously that, as the "remaining members" of the
>>>>> committee, we have the authority to fill vacancies, although we are less
>>>>> than the quorum of five specified in the bylaws.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have decided informally to reject, by 1 to 2, the idea of filling
>>>>> the vacancies with the next four vote getters.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have decided unanimously to fill the vacancies with four
>>>>> individuals who were not nominated at the convention and therefore were not
>>>>> "disapproved" of by a majority of the delegates in the approval voting
>>>>> process.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have voted unanimously by email ballot to fill the vacancies with
>>>>> Michael Badnarik, John Buttrick, Bill Hall, and Rob Latham.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alicia Dearn
>>>>> Gary Johnson
>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>
>>>>>
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