[Lnc-business] Not all of the LNC emails are appearing on the LNC reflector list

Mon Jun 13 17:16:36 EDT 2016

Okay that solves the mystery of the multiple emails.  But it does not solve
the mystery of the incomplete Google list.  Which, as Starchild says, is
actively harmful if it does not include everything.

You don't need to go through that JC thread morass for thirty minutes to
know I am correct.  Go to that one post by Brett on the Weeks' situation in
Region 3.  I responded twice.  None of them are there.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:

> There is but ONE list – both email addresses lnc-business at lp.org AND
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org work for that ONE list. You DO NOT need to use
> BOTH emails. Many folks however used to forget the hq.lp.org thing (which
> is what all of our lists are called) thus we created the forwarder without
> the “hq.”
>
>
>
> To make your life simple - feel free to use either of the two emails. They
> both go to the ONE list. But do not use BOTH or you will end up sending out
> 2 emails.
>
>
>
> It is also best NOT to “cc” multiple lists or people as there is a limit
> to how many addresses can listed and thus emails may bounce or require
> approval which Alicia takes care of.
>
>
>
> Live Free!
>
>
>
> *Robert*
>
> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
> Operations at LP.org
> Libertarian National Committee
> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2016 5:07 PM
> *To:* Starchild
> *Cc:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org; lnc-business Business
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Not all of the LNC emails are appearing on
> the LNC reflector list
>
>
>
> And yes, why the two emails?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Starchild....
>
>
>
> I am not trying to be a pain in Robert's behind, but this isn't something
> we can just go "oh well" about.  If I am wrong and missing something, I
> need to be shown, but those in Region 1 who elected me will be judging me,
> and the rest of the LNC based on these exchanges and if they are not
> complete, it is actively harmful.  I became aware of this through a FB
> discussion in which a member was complaining that a point had not been made
> in a discussion.  Yet, I had made that very point, and I realized this
> member never saw my response.  This is not acceptable.
>
>
>
> Halfway transparent or incomplete isn't transparent, and it isn't serving
> our members, and it isn't fair to us.
>
>
>
> Now maybe I screwed up and am missing it, but as an example, the opening
> email in this chain....*does not appear in the google list.*  It appears
> later when Robert responded to me, but if no one responded, this would
> never have appeared.
>
>
>
> Is this an issue just with my email and with my posts?  In any event, this
> needs to be resolved.
>
>
>
> As another example of missing responses, I responded twice to Brett's
> email about the Weeks situation.  You all will have received those
> responses.  *They do not appear on the Google lists.  *Region 1 members
> (and all others) deserve to have an accurate way to track.  If only the one
> at lp.org can or will be complete, that should be the only one that
> exists.  Having a partial or incomplete list is the worst of all possible
> worlds.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> I strongly share Caryn's concern about this issue. Having multiple LNC
> lists, whether they are used or not, seems to be generating confusion and
> interfering with transparency. It is often not clear what is going on.
>
>
>
> For instance, I received Robert's message below *twice* – apparently
> because he copied it to both *lnc-business at lp.org <lnc-business at lp.org>*
> and *lnc-business at hq.lp.org <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>*. I do not
> understand the difference between those two lists, or why both of them
> exist. Do they both forward to the public reflector list, or does only one
> of them get forwarded? (I've copied both lists on this email, so perhaps
> someone reading on the reflector list can say whether you receive the
> message once or twice).
>
>
>
> This kind of confusing system seems entirely unnecessary, and if Caryn is
> right about some messages not showing up publicly, it is actively
> *harmful* – if there's something I'm missing, Robert or someone please
> explain in full detail. As things stand, I believe we should adopt one of
> the two following approaches:
>
>
>
> (1) We maintain one and only one list for communication among LNC members,
> and scrap all other non-public lists entirely. Then it should be a simple
> matter to ensure that those other lists are not inadvertently used and that
> everything which appears on the sole LNC list gets forwarded to the public
> reflector list.
>
>
>
> (2) We have everyone (LNC members and non-LNC members) subscribed to the
> *same* list, but with only LNC members having posting privileges. Then
> there would never be any question of whether all the messages on our list
> are properly making it to the public list, since they would not need to be
> forwarded at all.
>
>
>
> I favor option #2 as being the best, if it is technically feasible, but
> option #1 could also go a long way toward resolving these issues.
>
>
>
> Can we get one of these approaches implemented ASAP without passing a
> formal motion about it?
>
>
>
> Love & Liberty,
>
>
>
>                                            ((( starchild )))
>
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (2016-2018)
>
>                               RealReform at earthlink.net
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>                                        (415) 625-FREE
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> On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Robert Kraus wrote:
>
>
>
> As Alicia pointed out the other day - please note there is only one list
> lnc-business at lp.org for LNC Business thanks!
>
>
>
> Live Free!
>
>
>
> *Robert*
>
> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
> Operations at LP.org
> Libertarian National Committee
> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231 <202.333.0008%20x%20231>
>
>
>
> Join today: https://www.lp.org/membership
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> *From:* Caryn Ann Harlos [mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2016 3:48 PM
> *To:* Robert Kraus
> *Cc:* Wes Benedict; lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: Not all of the LNC emails are appearing on the LNC
> reflector list
>
>
>
> Okay someone on FB might have figured it out.  Are there "two" lists"
>  LNC-Votes and LNC-Business and the google one only is if you reply to
> LNC-Votes?
>
>
>
> I can show you messages of mine which are days old which **do not** appear
> on the google list.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The list on lp.org is complete.  The list on the google groups (which is
> what members are following) is not.  There are emails that appear in one
> list and not the other.  This is an issue.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:
>
> I am not sure what list you are referring to however everything posted to
> LNC-Business is available here:
> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/date.html
>
>
>
> And also via Google Group here:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lncvotes
>
>
>
> Live Free!
>
>
>
> *Robert*
>
> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
> Operations at LP.org
> Libertarian National Committee
> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231 <202.333.0008%20x%20231>
>
>
>
> Join today: https://www.lp.org/membership
>
> LP FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/libertarians
>
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> *From:* Caryn Ann Harlos [mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2016 3:34 PM
> *To:* Robert Kraus; Wes Benedict; lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Not all of the LNC emails are appearing on the LNC reflector
> list
>
>
>
> There are large bit of the discussion on:
>
>
>
> "Fwd: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies"  that are
> missing from the LNC reflector.  I have my email copy of the thread and it
> is not complete on the reflector.
>
>
>
> If the members are going to be viewing this, it needs to be complete.
>
>
>
> --
>
> In Liberty,
>
> Caryn Ann Harlos
>
> Region 1 Representative
>
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
>
> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> In Liberty,
>
> Caryn Ann Harlos
>
> Region 1 Representative
>
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
>
> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> In Liberty,
>
> Caryn Ann Harlos
>
> Region 1 Representative
>
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
>
> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
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> --
>
> In Liberty,
>
> Caryn Ann Harlos
>
> Region 1 Representative
>
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> In Liberty,
>
> Caryn Ann Harlos
>
> Region 1 Representative
>
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
>
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-- 
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative
(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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