[Lnc-business] LPedia - request for Motion co-sponsors

Wed Jun 22 09:14:29 EDT 2016

That is a VERY good suggestion Ken... though if we were creating a broader
mandate, I would put in a slighter higher budget.  I like that idea a lot.
A whole lot.  Even if this gets too complicated for email vote, I think
this is a good discussion to have to craft something to put on the agenda.

We stink at institutional knowledge.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:

>
>
> Perhaps a less specific motion might be in order to give this new
> committee a broader mandate?
>
> "Motion to create a Historical Committee, with 3 LNC and 2 non-LNC voting
> members and non-voting members to be appointed and to serve at the leisure
> of the voting members of the committee, to maintain a public archive all
> public party documents of political importance, and to allot to that
> committee a $200 budget for FY2016."
>
> The idea behind this is that LPedia can be the platform used to archive
> all of this information, but it could also be something else if the
> committee finds a better tool for the job. Volunteers can be added and
> removed.
>
> I think it's important to try to keep all committees uniform in their
> form, when reasonable to do so.  Creating committees with different forms
> makes things really confusing.  One of the things I did as chair of LPKY
> was to try to make the various creatures of the party uniform, so there was
> far less confusion.
>
> I helped put a bunch of our previous platforms into LPedia. It's good
> information to have.  One of the things our party seems to lack is
> institutional knowledge. I support keeping LPedia alive.
> ken
> ---
>
> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
>
>
>
> On 2016-06-21 22:27, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> Joshua Katz, kindly worked with me off-list to trim the Motion request
> down.  Here is the new proposed Motion for which I seek co-sponsors:
>
> Motion:  To create a special LPedia Historical Committee, to consist of
> three members, with power to make all arrangements to transfer and maintain
> LPedia on an outside server.  Committee members will be granted all
> necessary access, and with power to select a team of volunteers, and to
> delegate tasks related to maintaining LPedia.org.  Further, to appoint
> James Gholston to said committee.  Finally, to direct that $200 annually be
> budgeted to maintaining LPedia.org.
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> To be clear though... if others wish to co-sponsor, I am more than
>> willing to pursue this prior to the meeting to save time.  If I do not get
>> the requisite co-sponsors, I will ask for it to be on the agenda.
>>
>> One reason is that it seems I am put in a catch-22 here.  It isn't
>> "urgent" enough for email vote... but it isn't "important" enough to put in
>> a live meeting due to the election.  And I bet in December there will be
>> something else.... which is why this has been neglected for years.
>>
>> So I will take it any way I can get it.  I want this to get considered.
>> Our institutional knowledge is our legacy, and we have been poor stewards
>> of it in the opinion of many members.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Sam.  And buried in the prior conversation is a potential for
>>> it to completely crash and lose data so there is a time factor though I
>>> realize that many may not agree.  I will attempt to get this on the next
>>> agenda.  It is years overdue.  If the body decides to put it off until
>>> after election, well at least I tried.  I promised some members I would try.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> About a week before the meeting Nick will send out a proposed agenda
>>>> and a request for
>>>> any additions.  That would be the time to ask for time to propose a
>>>> motion about the future
>>>> of LPedia for whatever time you think you need.  I'd not try for more
>>>> than 15-20 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> You should also send your proposed motion in writing for inclusion on
>>>> the agenda so it
>>>> has a lower threshold for approval.  You will also need to have an idea
>>>> of where in the budget
>>>> the money is going to come from for this effort.  With everything else
>>>> going on from now until
>>>> November, I'd guess this is not going to be a high priority.  Post
>>>> election might be a better
>>>> time to bring it up.
>>>>
>>>> Sam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> Member at Large
>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good suggestion Sam.  And you are correct.  Thank you for your
>>>>> patience with me.  What needs to be done to get it put on the agenda?  I
>>>>> appreciate your mentorship.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Region 1 Representative
>>>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>>> Washington)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>>>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So just propose a short, concise motion to that point.  I don't
>>>>>> really see the urgency for this in an email ballot, it would probably be
>>>>>> better to put it on the agenda for the upcoming LNC meeting for a 15-20
>>>>>> minute discussion.  It would be close to that date anyway if you can find
>>>>>> co-sponsors and get an email ballot done anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Separate rational?  The rationale is in the prior discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am more than happy to explain but not terribly certain it can
>>>>>>> reduced differently here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The prior discussion is the background.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would be curious if those who participated in the discussion are
>>>>>>> able to grok what this is getting at.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LPedia is a Party asset that has lied fallow and the Party does not
>>>>>>> have the time or resources to keep it up.  There is a volunteer willing to
>>>>>>> take this in and move to another server but they need the authority and
>>>>>>> funding to do so... This lays the groundwork for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I honestly have no idea what you are trying to accomplish with this
>>>>>>>> motion.  You might want to go into the archives to review format and
>>>>>>>> presentation of prior successful email ballot and then rewrite this a a
>>>>>>>> motion with a separate rational.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Live Free,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>>>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Okay I spoke with James, and here is a suggested Motion to get the
>>>>>>>>> ball rolling on this with minimal staff time:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>>>> Move that an LPedia Historical Committee of three members be
>>>>>>>>> established with the first member to be James Gholston.  The Committee
>>>>>>>>> would have the authority to select a new hosting location for LPedia.org at
>>>>>>>>> a cost of up to $200 per year to be paid by the LNC and will have
>>>>>>>>> full access and control of the new hosting location along with the LNC.
>>>>>>>>> At a date to be determined by the Committee, close LPedia.org to new edits
>>>>>>>>> and copy the MySQL database for LPedia.org, separating it out out if it is
>>>>>>>>> integrated with other databases.   The LNC will authorize solicitations to
>>>>>>>>> be made via LP News or other LP controlled outlets for Committee members
>>>>>>>>> and volunteers to duplicate the site, and the Committee may make
>>>>>>>>> recommendations or request additional funds if a database vendor needs to
>>>>>>>>> be retained to make this move. Upon successful transfer of the wiki to its
>>>>>>>>> new hosting location, LPedia.org and any alternate domain names are to
>>>>>>>>> point to the new location, and upon confirmation of success the legacy
>>>>>>>>> hosting location may be shut down. This database and all LPedia files and
>>>>>>>>> directories are to be given to a team of volunteers selected by the
>>>>>>>>> Committee who will be entrusted to set up and maintain LPedia.org in its
>>>>>>>>> new location, and the Committee will be dissolved.
>>>>>>>>> ======
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative
>>>>>>>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>>>>>>>>> Wyoming, Washington)
>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative
>>>>>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>>>>> Washington)
>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> Region 1 Representative
>>>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>>> Washington)
>>>>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Region 1 Representative
>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington)
>>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative
>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
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> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative
(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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