[Lnc-business] LPedia - request for Motion co-sponsors

Thu Jun 23 08:28:27 EDT 2016

>From Tim Hagan:

==If the Historical Committee is to be permanent, which I think it should
be, then I suggest modifying the motion to add the committee to the Policy
Manual. In particular, add the committee to the table in Section 1.03 and
the committee's duties as a new subsection in Section 2.02.==

That is also a good suggestion, but my lack of experience here is hindering
me.  Since it seems apparent that this will be something I will be seeking
to add to the agenda, I will take a look through the policy manual to see
how other committees are outlines and try to see how this would work.

Any suggestions/ideas/input would be very welcome.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:

>
>
> If we get LPedia forklifted by December, I think that would be a success.
> I think we can always modify the budget to add more funds later if there
> are other cool projects to be done.
>
> FYI - MediaWiki upgrades can be a real nightmare. I personally moved away
> from MediaWiki because I let mine get too old and the "jump through"
> versions needed to make it current weren't even available anymore.  I'm
> using FosWiki for LPKY. It is a branch of TkWiki from before it went
> commercial.  https://foswiki.org/
> ---
>
> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
>
>
>
> On 2016-06-22 09:14, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> That is a VERY good suggestion Ken... though if we were creating a broader
> mandate, I would put in a slighter higher budget.  I like that idea a lot.
> A whole lot.  Even if this gets too complicated for email vote, I think
> this is a good discussion to have to craft something to put on the agenda.
>
>
> We stink at institutional knowledge.
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps a less specific motion might be in order to give this new
>> committee a broader mandate?
>>
>> "Motion to create a Historical Committee, with 3 LNC and 2 non-LNC voting
>> members and non-voting members to be appointed and to serve at the leisure
>> of the voting members of the committee, to maintain a public archive all
>> public party documents of political importance, and to allot to that
>> committee a $200 budget for FY2016."
>>
>> The idea behind this is that LPedia can be the platform used to archive
>> all of this information, but it could also be something else if the
>> committee finds a better tool for the job. Volunteers can be added and
>> removed.
>>
>> I think it's important to try to keep all committees uniform in their
>> form, when reasonable to do so.  Creating committees with different forms
>> makes things really confusing.  One of the things I did as chair of LPKY
>> was to try to make the various creatures of the party uniform, so there was
>> far less confusion.
>>
>> I helped put a bunch of our previous platforms into LPedia. It's good
>> information to have.  One of the things our party seems to lack is
>> institutional knowledge. I support keeping LPedia alive.
>> ken
>> ---
>>
>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2016-06-21 22:27, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>> Joshua Katz, kindly worked with me off-list to trim the Motion request
>> down.  Here is the new proposed Motion for which I seek co-sponsors:
>>
>> Motion:  To create a special LPedia Historical Committee, to consist of
>> three members, with power to make all arrangements to transfer and maintain
>> LPedia on an outside server.  Committee members will be granted all
>> necessary access, and with power to select a team of volunteers, and to
>> delegate tasks related to maintaining LPedia.org.  Further, to appoint
>> James Gholston to said committee.  Finally, to direct that $200 annually be
>> budgeted to maintaining LPedia.org.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> To be clear though... if others wish to co-sponsor, I am more than
>>> willing to pursue this prior to the meeting to save time.  If I do not get
>>> the requisite co-sponsors, I will ask for it to be on the agenda.
>>>
>>> One reason is that it seems I am put in a catch-22 here.  It isn't
>>> "urgent" enough for email vote... but it isn't "important" enough to put in
>>> a live meeting due to the election.  And I bet in December there will be
>>> something else.... which is why this has been neglected for years.
>>>
>>> So I will take it any way I can get it.  I want this to get considered.
>>> Our institutional knowledge is our legacy, and we have been poor stewards
>>> of it in the opinion of many members.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Sam.  And buried in the prior conversation is a potential for
>>>> it to completely crash and lose data so there is a time factor though I
>>>> realize that many may not agree.  I will attempt to get this on the next
>>>> agenda.  It is years overdue.  If the body decides to put it off until
>>>> after election, well at least I tried.  I promised some members I would try.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> About a week before the meeting Nick will send out a proposed agenda
>>>>> and a request for
>>>>> any additions.  That would be the time to ask for time to propose a
>>>>> motion about the future
>>>>> of LPedia for whatever time you think you need.  I'd not try for more
>>>>> than 15-20 minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>> You should also send your proposed motion in writing for inclusion on
>>>>> the agenda so it
>>>>> has a lower threshold for approval.  You will also need to have an
>>>>> idea of where in the budget
>>>>> the money is going to come from for this effort.  With everything else
>>>>> going on from now until
>>>>> November, I'd guess this is not going to be a high priority.  Post
>>>>> election might be a better
>>>>> time to bring it up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good suggestion Sam.  And you are correct.  Thank you for your
>>>>>> patience with me.  What needs to be done to get it put on the agenda?  I
>>>>>> appreciate your mentorship.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative
>>>>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>>>> Washington)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>>>>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So just propose a short, concise motion to that point.  I don't
>>>>>>> really see the urgency for this in an email ballot, it would probably be
>>>>>>> better to put it on the agenda for the upcoming LNC meeting for a 15-20
>>>>>>> minute discussion.  It would be close to that date anyway if you can find
>>>>>>> co-sponsors and get an email ballot done anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Separate rational?  The rationale is in the prior discussion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am more than happy to explain but not terribly certain it can
>>>>>>>> reduced differently here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The prior discussion is the background.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would be curious if those who participated in the discussion are
>>>>>>>> able to grok what this is getting at.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LPedia is a Party asset that has lied fallow and the Party does not
>>>>>>>> have the time or resources to keep it up.  There is a volunteer willing to
>>>>>>>> take this in and move to another server but they need the authority and
>>>>>>>> funding to do so... This lays the groundwork for that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016, Sam Goldstein <
>>>>>>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I honestly have no idea what you are trying to accomplish with
>>>>>>>>> this motion.  You might want to go into the archives to review format and
>>>>>>>>> presentation of prior successful email ballot and then rewrite this a a
>>>>>>>>> motion with a separate rational.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Live Free,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>>>>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Okay I spoke with James, and here is a suggested Motion to get
>>>>>>>>>> the ball rolling on this with minimal staff time:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>>>>> Move that an LPedia Historical Committee of three members be
>>>>>>>>>> established with the first member to be James Gholston.  The Committee
>>>>>>>>>> would have the authority to select a new hosting location for LPedia.org at
>>>>>>>>>> a cost of up to $200 per year to be paid by the LNC and will
>>>>>>>>>> have full access and control of the new hosting location along with the
>>>>>>>>>> LNC.   At a date to be determined by the Committee, close LPedia.org to new
>>>>>>>>>> edits and copy the MySQL database for LPedia.org, separating it out out if
>>>>>>>>>> it is integrated with other databases.   The LNC will authorize
>>>>>>>>>> solicitations to be made via LP News or other LP controlled outlets for
>>>>>>>>>> Committee members and volunteers to duplicate the site, and the Committee
>>>>>>>>>> may make recommendations or request additional funds if a database vendor
>>>>>>>>>> needs to be retained to make this move. Upon successful transfer of the
>>>>>>>>>> wiki to its new hosting location, LPedia.org and any alternate domain names
>>>>>>>>>> are to point to the new location, and upon confirmation of success the
>>>>>>>>>> legacy hosting location may be shut down. This database and all LPedia
>>>>>>>>>> files and directories are to be given to a team of volunteers selected by
>>>>>>>>>> the Committee who will be entrusted to set up and maintain LPedia.org in
>>>>>>>>>> its new location, and the Committee will be dissolved.
>>>>>>>>>> ======
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative
>>>>>>>>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>>>>>>>>>> Wyoming, Washington)
>>>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Washington)
>>>>>>>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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>>>>>> Region 1 Representative
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>>>>>> Washington)
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> Region 1 Representative
>>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>>> Washington)
>>>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Region 1 Representative
>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington)
>>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>
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>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative
>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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-- 
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative
(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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