[Lnc-business] Policy Manual - Regional Representatives

Sun Jun 26 13:36:06 EDT 2016

There is a problem.  Whether this is a solution or not is another matter,
but I think it certainly adds clarity. We must remember that the Policy
Manual isn't *only* for the LNC but for the members to *understand* the
LNC.  I read it when I was a new member (no wisecracks Sam!).  Now I
realize I am an aberration in  my zeal to read our documents but that is in
fact another purpose of it.  Most members have zero idea they even have a
regional representative, and in fact, what use such a person is.  Perhaps
the un-regioned (made that word up) states would be more likely to join a
region if they saw the value and the value was made a part of the record.

This is definitely a problem because there are regional representatives who
come in going now what?  I found myself in a different position in that I
was already entrenched as a non-LNC member in the goings on, attending and
writing about meetings, reading the lists etc, and did an active campaign
for the position that I decided on well in advance.  But oftentimes
(whether this is good or not is another issue) regional representatives are
chosen and decided at the region meeting with little prior intent.  Either
no one campaigned, or someone decides they don't like the choices, and
heck, better step up.  Whatever the reason, we find ourselves with
absolutely no guidance on what the heck it is we are supposed to do.  The
fact is, I just took it upon myself to start doing things and interfacing
with my region in ways I thought were a good idea, but it would be great to
know what has been learned from the past.  Again.... institutional
knowledge, we are terrible at it.

In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative
(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)

*PS: remember, please sign your emails... the sender information is often
unclear when this goes to the public list, and the members can have a hard
time keeping track of who said what, and they deserve to know.*

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:14 AM, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net
> wrote:

> I am good with Caryn’s suggested revision.
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> Others?
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> ~David Pratt Demarest
>
> Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *David Demarest
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 12:04 PM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Policy Manual - Regional Representatives
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>
> Thanks Caryn. I have pasted in the previous responses for background
> information.
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> ~David Pratt Demarest
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 11:45 AM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Policy Manual - Regional Representatives
>
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>
> I am starting this new chain for the discussion on David's proposal to add
> a section to the Policy Manual on Regional Representatives.  This was
> David's initial working proposal as a starting point:
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> LNC regional representatives and alternates who serve at the pleasure of
> the region member state chairs are encouraged to provide a transparent
> channel that facilitates mutually supportive communication between the LNC
> and officers and members of the regional state organizations. Actual
> regional organization policies are left to the discretion of and agreement
> between the member state chairs and their regional representatives and
> alternates.
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> I suggest this change:
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> LNC Regional Representatives and Alternates who serve at the pleasure of
> their Region, as specified in the Region Formation Agreement, are
> encouraged to provide a transparent channel that facilitates mutually
> supportive communication between the LNC and Officers and members of the
> regional state affiliates. Actual regional organization policies and
> additional duties are left to the discretion of and agreement between the
> member state chairs and their Regional Representatives and Alternates.
>
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>
> --
>
> In Liberty,
>
> Caryn Ann Harlos
>
> Region 1 Representative
>
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
>
> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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>
> Thanks Caryn. Can you provide an alternative example and how we might
> modify the proposed statement to address that alternative?
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> Thoughts?
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>
> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE!*
>
>
>
> *The Invisible Hand of Self-Interest is Mightier Than the Sword of
> Government!*
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 10:59 AM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Cc:* david.demarest at firstdata.com; David Demarest <secretary at lpne.org>;
> lnc-business <lnc-business at lp.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] details for electronic mail ballots
>
>
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> Yes that is what I was thinking- a policy manual section.
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> David also, not all reps serve at the pleasure of the state chairs- that
> is the default.  The region agreement can specify otherwise.
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> *From:* David Demarest [mailto:secretary at lpne.org <secretary at lpne.org>]
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 11:13 AM
> *To:* 'Sam Goldstein' <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>; '
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org' <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> *Cc:* 'lnc-business' <lnc-business at lp.org>; 'david.demarest at firstdata.com'
> <david.demarest at firstdata.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [Lnc-business] details for electronic mail ballots
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> Thanks Sam – makes sense to put it in the policy manual. What is the
> procedure to get a Regional Representative responsibilities statement added
> to the policy manual?
>
>
>
> By the way, the original idea for the following suggested policy statement
> came from the fertile mind of Brett Bittner, Region 3 Representative.
> Thanks Brett!
>
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> LNC regional representatives and alternates who serve at the pleasure of
> the region member state chairs are encouraged to provide a transparent
> channel that facilitates mutually supportive communication between the LNC
> and officers and members of the regional state organizations. Actual
> regional organization policies are left to the discretion of and agreement
> between the member state chairs and their regional representatives and
> alternates.
>
>
>
> Any suggested revisions to the above text?
>
>
>
> *The Invisible Hand of Self-Interest is Mightier Than the Sword of
> Government!*
>
>
>
> ~David Pratt Demarest
>
>
>
> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 11:16 AM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Cc:* david.demarest at firstdata.com; lnc-business <lnc-business at lp.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] details for electronic mail ballots
>
>
>
> David, can you start a new thread with the right title?  This is still
> under "electronic email ballot" and will be impossible to find in the
> future.
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>
>
> In Liberty,
>
> Caryn Ann Harlos
>
> Region 1 Representative
>
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:13 AM, David Demarest <secretary at lpne.org>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Sam – makes sense to put it in the policy manual. What is the
> procedure to get a Regional Representative responsibilities statement added
> to the policy manual?
>
>
>
> By the way, the original idea for the following suggested policy statement
> came from the fertile mind of Brett Bittner, Region 3 Representative.
> Thanks Brett!
>
>
>
> LNC regional representatives and alternates who serve at the pleasure of
> the region member state chairs are encouraged to provide a transparent
> channel that facilitates mutually supportive communication between the LNC
> and officers and members of the regional state organizations. Actual
> regional organization policies are left to the discretion of and agreement
> between the member state chairs and their regional representatives and
> alternates.
>
>
>
> Any suggested revisions to the above text?
>
>
>
> *The Invisible Hand of Self-Interest is Mightier Than the Sword of
> Government!*
>
>
>
> ~David Pratt Demarest
>
> Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee
>
> Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>
> Secretary at LPNE.org
>
> David.Demarest at LP.org
>
> DPDemarest at centurylink.net
>
> David.Demarest at firstdata.com
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> http://www.LPNE.org <http://www.lpne.org/>
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> *From:* Sam Goldstein [mailto:goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 10:37 AM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Cc:* lnc-business <lnc-business at lp.org>; david.demarest at firstdata.com;
> David Demarest <secretary at lpne.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] details for electronic mail ballots
>
>
>
> David,
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>
>
> The LNC has no power to change the By-Laws, only the delegates in
> convention.  The LNC can amend the Policy Manual so it might be best to
> look for a place to insert your suggested Regional Representative
> responsiblities language in that document.  There are very few mentions of
> Regional Reps in the current language and the only responsibility outlined
> is the Regional Report to be submitted prior to every LNC meeting.
>
>
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> Having a definition inserted in the Policy Manual would help future
> newbies in determining their role and might encourage more people to seed a
> spot from their region.
>
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> Live Free,
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> Sam Goldstein
>
> Libertarian National Committee
>
> Member at Large
>
> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>
> Indianapolis IN 46260
>
> 317-850-0726 Phone
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> 317-582-1773 Fax
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>
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 9:33 AM, David Demarest <
> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>
> Alicia – Thank you for very clear and unambiguous instructions and
> procedures on LNC email balloting – very helpful to us newcomers on the
> board!
>
>
>
> On a similar but separate subject, at your convenience when your schedule
> is not so crazy, I would appreciate receiving similar instructions and
> procedures excerpted from the bylaws or elsewhere in LNC documentation that
>  clearly delineates the roles and responsibilities of regional
> representatives and their alternates. With Caryn Ann Harlos’ help, I see
> some of region structure mechanical details. However, I have not been able
> to locate any LNC documentation that spells out regional representative and
> alternate roles and responsibilities.
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>
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> Caryn Ann and I have discussed a possible default description of regional
> representative and alternate roles and responsibilities. I submit the
> following for discussion:
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>
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> LNC regional representatives and alternates who serve at the pleasure of
> the region member state chairs are encouraged to provide a transparent
> channel that facilitates mutually supportive communication between the LNC
> and officers and members of the regional state organizations. Actual
> regional organization policies are left to the discretion of and agreement
> between the member state chairs and their regional representatives and
> alternates.
>
>
>
> Question: Should the above be offered as a motion or as an amendment to
> the bylaws? If a motion is appropriate, in addition to Caryn, are there two
> more board members that would like to co-sponsor such a motion following
> discussion and revisions?
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE!*
>
>
>
> ~David Pratt Demarest
>
> Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee
>
> Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>
> Secretary at LPNE.org
>
> David.Demarest at LP.org
>
> DPDemarest at centurylink.net
>
> David.Demarest at firstdata.com
>
> http://www.LPNE.org <http://www.lpne.org/>
>
> http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>
>
> Cell:      402-981-6469
>
> Home: 402-493-0873
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-- 
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative
(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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