[Lnc-business] Policy Manual - Regional Representatives

Sun Jun 26 14:21:56 EDT 2016

I find the idea "no clutter" for its own sake to be at the root of a lot of
problems in the Party frankly and part of why we lack institutional
knowledge.

I also can think of plenty of other reasons to oppose reorganizing around
Federal Court Districts other than petty fiefdoms but these are bylaws
questions - not the LNC purview though I would support that idea of equal
regional and at large representatives.

That being said- if we think there is no problem with new RRs coming in and
not knowing these things.... Okay.  And admittedly perhaps the PM is not a
place for it.

Perhaps the RRs should just get together and write an unofficial manual the
way the social media team has- but to deny we need something is foolish to
me.

And for all I know this may already exist but because of the death of
knowledge when people come and go-and an aversion to clutter- it isn't
passed along.

In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative
(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)

*PS: remember, please sign your emails... the sender information is often
unclear when this goes to the public list, and the members can have a hard
time keeping track of who said what, and they deserve to know.*

On Sunday, June 26, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:

> All,
>
> As designed and codified in the bylaws today, the regions are autonomous,
> and have the right to determine their own reps as they see fit (by mutual
> agreement, or otherwise by the state chairs by default).  The Region
> Representative represents the region. They serve the region at their
> leisure. This is already codified in the bylaws. I don't see a reason to
> reiterate this any further in other documents.  I would suggest that it
> would only clutter the already-lengthy document.
>
> In 2014, I suggested reorganizing regions based on Federal Court
> districts, with multiple districts in each region to make the national
> membership numbers in each region almost equal. The goal of this approach
> was to foster communication between states in the same federal court
> circuits, since Court of Appeals ruling effect every state in the
> district.   This never gained traction for multiple reasons, the largest of
> which seemed to be protecting silly fiefdoms. I've personally moved on to
> build those relationships outside of the Region Reps.  I introduced LPKY's
> attorney to the counsel for LPTN and LPMI at the national convention, and
> LPKY's attorney has now worked with LPO's attorney.
>
> I do think we should consider reducing the number of regions and at-large
> positions by 1, keeping a balance between those elected by the entire body
> and those elected from districts.
>
> Just my $0.02 on the matter.
>
>
> ---
>
> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
>
>
>
> On 2016-06-26 13:36, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> There is a problem.  Whether this is a solution or not is another matter,
> but I think it certainly adds clarity. We must remember that the Policy
> Manual isn't *only* for the LNC but for the members to *understand* the
> LNC.  I read it when I was a new member (no wisecracks Sam!).  Now I
> realize I am an aberration in  my zeal to read our documents but that is in
> fact another purpose of it.  Most members have zero idea they even have a
> regional representative, and in fact, what use such a person is.  Perhaps
> the un-regioned (made that word up) states would be more likely to join a
> region if they saw the value and the value was made a part of the record.
>
> This is definitely a problem because there are regional representatives
> who come in going now what?  I found myself in a different position in that
> I was already entrenched as a non-LNC member in the goings on, attending
> and writing about meetings, reading the lists etc, and did an active
> campaign for the position that I decided on well in advance.  But
> oftentimes (whether this is good or not is another issue) regional
> representatives are chosen and decided at the region meeting with little
> prior intent.  Either no one campaigned, or someone decides they don't like
> the choices, and heck, better step up.  Whatever the reason, we find
> ourselves with absolutely no guidance on what the heck it is we are
> supposed to do.  The fact is, I just took it upon myself to start doing
> things and interfacing with my region in ways I thought were a good idea,
> but it would be great to know what has been learned from the past.
> Again.... institutional knowledge, we are terrible at it.
>
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
>
> *PS: remember, please sign your emails... the sender information is often
> unclear when this goes to the public list, and the members can have a hard
> time keeping track of who said what, and they deserve to know.*
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:14 AM, David Demarest <
> dpdemarest at centurylink.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dpdemarest at centurylink.net');>> wrote:
>
>> I am good with Caryn's suggested revision.
>>
>>
>>
>> Others?
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org');>] *On
>> Behalf Of *David Demarest
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 12:04 PM
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Policy Manual - Regional Representatives
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Caryn. I have pasted in the previous responses for background
>> information.
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org');>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 11:45 AM
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Policy Manual - Regional Representatives
>>
>>
>>
>> I am starting this new chain for the discussion on David's proposal to
>> add a section to the Policy Manual on Regional Representatives.  This was
>> David's initial working proposal as a starting point:
>>
>>
>>
>> LNC regional representatives and alternates who serve at the pleasure of
>> the region member state chairs are encouraged to provide a transparent
>> channel that facilitates mutually supportive communication between the LNC
>> and officers and members of the regional state organizations. Actual
>> regional organization policies are left to the discretion of and agreement
>> between the member state chairs and their regional representatives and
>> alternates.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suggest this change:
>>
>>
>>
>> LNC Regional Representatives and Alternates who serve at the pleasure of
>> their Region, as specified in the Region Formation Agreement, are
>> encouraged to provide a transparent channel that facilitates mutually
>> supportive communication between the LNC and Officers and members of the
>> regional state affiliates. Actual regional organization policies and
>> additional duties are left to the discretion of and agreement between the
>> member state chairs and their Regional Representatives and Alternates.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> In Liberty,
>>
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>
>> Region 1 Representative
>>
>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>>
>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Caryn. Can you provide an alternative example and how we might
>> modify the proposed statement to address that alternative?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE!*
>>
>>
>>
>> *The Invisible Hand of Self-Interest is Mightier Than the Sword of
>> Government!*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org');>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 10:59 AM
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>> *Cc:* david.demarest at firstdata.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','david.demarest at firstdata.com');>; David
>> Demarest <secretary at lpne.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','secretary at lpne.org');>>; lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at lp.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at lp.org');>
>> >
>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] details for electronic mail ballots
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes that is what I was thinking- a policy manual section.
>>
>>
>>
>> David also, not all reps serve at the pleasure of the state chairs- that
>> is the default.  The region agreement can specify otherwise.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* David Demarest [mailto:secretary at lpne.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','secretary at lpne.org');>]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 11:13 AM
>> *To:* 'Sam Goldstein' <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com');>>; '
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>' <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>>
>> *Cc:* 'lnc-business' <lnc-business at lp.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at lp.org');>>; '
>> david.demarest at firstdata.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','david.demarest at firstdata.com');>' <
>> david.demarest at firstdata.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','david.demarest at firstdata.com');>>
>> *Subject:* RE: [Lnc-business] details for electronic mail ballots
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Sam – makes sense to put it in the policy manual. What is the
>> procedure to get a Regional Representative responsibilities statement added
>> to the policy manual?
>>
>>
>>
>> By the way, the original idea for the following suggested policy
>> statement came from the fertile mind of Brett Bittner, Region 3
>> Representative. Thanks Brett!
>>
>>
>>
>> LNC regional representatives and alternates who serve at the pleasure of
>> the region member state chairs are encouraged to provide a transparent
>> channel that facilitates mutually supportive communication between the LNC
>> and officers and members of the regional state organizations. Actual
>> regional organization policies are left to the discretion of and agreement
>> between the member state chairs and their regional representatives and
>> alternates.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggested revisions to the above text?
>>
>>
>>
>> *The Invisible Hand of Self-Interest is Mightier Than the Sword of
>> Government!*
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org');>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 11:16 AM
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>> *Cc:* david.demarest at firstdata.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','david.demarest at firstdata.com');>;
>> lnc-business <lnc-business at lp.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at lp.org');>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] details for electronic mail ballots
>>
>>
>>
>> David, can you start a new thread with the right title?  This is still
>> under "electronic email ballot" and will be impossible to find in the
>> future.
>>
>>
>>
>> In Liberty,
>>
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>
>> Region 1 Representative
>>
>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:13 AM, David Demarest <secretary at lpne.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','secretary at lpne.org');>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Sam – makes sense to put it in the policy manual. What is the
>> procedure to get a Regional Representative responsibilities statement added
>> to the policy manual?
>>
>>
>>
>> By the way, the original idea for the following suggested policy
>> statement came from the fertile mind of Brett Bittner, Region 3
>> Representative. Thanks Brett!
>>
>>
>>
>> LNC regional representatives and alternates who serve at the pleasure of
>> the region member state chairs are encouraged to provide a transparent
>> channel that facilitates mutually supportive communication between the LNC
>> and officers and members of the regional state organizations. Actual
>> regional organization policies are left to the discretion of and agreement
>> between the member state chairs and their regional representatives and
>> alternates.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggested revisions to the above text?
>>
>>
>>
>> *The Invisible Hand of Self-Interest is Mightier Than the Sword of
>> Government!*
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee
>>
>> Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> Secretary at LPNE.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Secretary at LPNE.org');>
>>
>> David.Demarest at LP.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','David.Demarest at LP.org');>
>>
>> DPDemarest at centurylink.net
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','DPDemarest at centurylink.net');>
>>
>> David.Demarest at firstdata.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','David.Demarest at firstdata.com');>
>>
>> http://www.LPNE.org <http://www.lpne.org/>
>>
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>>
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>>
>> Home: 402-493-0873
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Sam Goldstein [mailto:goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com');>]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 10:37 AM
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at hq.lp.org');>
>> *Cc:* lnc-business <lnc-business at lp.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at lp.org');>>;
>> david.demarest at firstdata.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','david.demarest at firstdata.com');>; David
>> Demarest <secretary at lpne.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','secretary at lpne.org');>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] details for electronic mail ballots
>>
>>
>>
>> David,
>>
>>
>>
>> The LNC has no power to change the By-Laws, only the delegates in
>> convention.  The LNC can amend the Policy Manual so it might be best to
>> look for a place to insert your suggested Regional Representative
>> responsiblities language in that document.  There are very few mentions of
>> Regional Reps in the current language and the only responsibility outlined
>> is the Regional Report to be submitted prior to every LNC meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Having a definition inserted in the Policy Manual would help future
>> newbies in determining their role and might encourage more people to seed a
>> spot from their region.
>>
>>
>>
>> Live Free,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>>
>> Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> Member at Large
>>
>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>
>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>
>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>
>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 9:33 AM, David Demarest <
>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dpdemarest at centurylink.net');>> wrote:
>>
>> Alicia – Thank you for very clear and unambiguous instructions and
>> procedures on LNC email balloting – very helpful to us newcomers on the
>> board!
>>
>>
>>
>> On a similar but separate subject, at your convenience when your schedule
>> is not so crazy, I would appreciate receiving similar instructions and
>> procedures excerpted from the bylaws or elsewhere in LNC documentation that
>>  clearly delineates the roles and responsibilities of regional
>> representatives and their alternates. With Caryn Ann Harlos' help, I see
>> some of region structure mechanical details. However, I have not been able
>> to locate any LNC documentation that spells out regional representative and
>> alternate roles and responsibilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> Caryn Ann and I have discussed a possible default description of regional
>> representative and alternate roles and responsibilities. I submit the
>> following for discussion:
>>
>>
>>
>> LNC regional representatives and alternates who serve at the pleasure of
>> the region member state chairs are encouraged to provide a transparent
>> channel that facilitates mutually supportive communication between the LNC
>> and officers and members of the regional state organizations. Actual
>> regional organization policies are left to the discretion of and agreement
>> between the member state chairs and their regional representatives and
>> alternates.
>>
>>
>>
>> Question: Should the above be offered as a motion or as an amendment to
>> the bylaws? If a motion is appropriate, in addition to Caryn, are there two
>> more board members that would like to co-sponsor such a motion following
>> discussion and revisions?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE!*
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee
>>
>> Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> Secretary at LPNE.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Secretary at LPNE.org');>
>>
>> David.Demarest at LP.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','David.Demarest at LP.org');>
>>
>> DPDemarest at centurylink.net
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','DPDemarest at centurylink.net');>
>>
>> David.Demarest at firstdata.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','David.Demarest at firstdata.com');>
>>
>> http://www.LPNE.org <http://www.lpne.org/>
>>
>> http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>
>>
>> Cell:      402-981-6469
>>
>> Home: 402-493-0873
>>
>> Office: 402-222-7207
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> --
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>
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-- 
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative
(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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