[Lnc-business] Policy Manual - Regional Representatives

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Alicia, it was my understanding from the Delegate Chair Manual that every
region does have to sign a region formation agreement, even if it was
something as simple as "We're a region!"  - that would be the agreement.

In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative
(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)

*PS: remember, please sign your emails... the sender information is often
unclear when this goes to the public list, and the members can have a hard
time keeping track of who said what, and they deserve to know.*

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with Ken here in terms of how useful this would be.  If someone
> isn't going to read the bylaws and see how the region reps work, why would
> they read the policy manual to see someone else's attempt to describe
> what's in the bylaws?  I don't see this as solving the described problem.
>
> I also would quibble with some of the language.  For example, not every
> region has a region formation agreement, though this language suggests they
> do.  Some merely sign a piece of paper saying "We're a region!"
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> As designed and codified in the bylaws today, the regions are autonomous,
>> and have the right to determine their own reps as they see fit (by mutual
>> agreement, or otherwise by the state chairs by default).  The Region
>> Representative represents the region. They serve the region at their
>> leisure. This is already codified in the bylaws. I don't see a reason to
>> reiterate this any further in other documents.  I would suggest that it
>> would only clutter the already-lengthy document.
>>
>> In 2014, I suggested reorganizing regions based on Federal Court
>> districts, with multiple districts in each region to make the national
>> membership numbers in each region almost equal. The goal of this approach
>> was to foster communication between states in the same federal court
>> circuits, since Court of Appeals ruling effect every state in the
>> district.   This never gained traction for multiple reasons, the largest of
>> which seemed to be protecting silly fiefdoms. I've personally moved on to
>> build those relationships outside of the Region Reps.  I introduced LPKY's
>> attorney to the counsel for LPTN and LPMI at the national convention, and
>> LPKY's attorney has now worked with LPO's attorney.
>>
>> I do think we should consider reducing the number of regions and at-large
>> positions by 1, keeping a balance between those elected by the entire body
>> and those elected from districts.
>>
>> Just my $0.02 on the matter.
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2016-06-26 13:36, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>> There is a problem.  Whether this is a solution or not is another matter,
>> but I think it certainly adds clarity. We must remember that the Policy
>> Manual isn't *only* for the LNC but for the members to *understand* the
>> LNC.  I read it when I was a new member (no wisecracks Sam!).  Now I
>> realize I am an aberration in  my zeal to read our documents but that is in
>> fact another purpose of it.  Most members have zero idea they even have a
>> regional representative, and in fact, what use such a person is.  Perhaps
>> the un-regioned (made that word up) states would be more likely to join a
>> region if they saw the value and the value was made a part of the record.
>>
>> This is definitely a problem because there are regional representatives
>> who come in going now what?  I found myself in a different position in that
>> I was already entrenched as a non-LNC member in the goings on, attending
>> and writing about meetings, reading the lists etc, and did an active
>> campaign for the position that I decided on well in advance.  But
>> oftentimes (whether this is good or not is another issue) regional
>> representatives are chosen and decided at the region meeting with little
>> prior intent.  Either no one campaigned, or someone decides they don't like
>> the choices, and heck, better step up.  Whatever the reason, we find
>> ourselves with absolutely no guidance on what the heck it is we are
>> supposed to do.  The fact is, I just took it upon myself to start doing
>> things and interfacing with my region in ways I thought were a good idea,
>> but it would be great to know what has been learned from the past.
>> Again.... institutional knowledge, we are terrible at it.
>>
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative
>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>>
>> *PS: remember, please sign your emails... the sender information is often
>> unclear when this goes to the public list, and the members can have a hard
>> time keeping track of who said what, and they deserve to know.*
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 11:14 AM, David Demarest <
>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I am good with Caryn's suggested revision.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Others?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
>>> Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>>> Of *David Demarest
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 12:04 PM
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Policy Manual - Regional Representatives
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Caryn. I have pasted in the previous responses for background
>>> information.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>>> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 11:45 AM
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Policy Manual - Regional Representatives
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am starting this new chain for the discussion on David's proposal to
>>> add a section to the Policy Manual on Regional Representatives.  This was
>>> David's initial working proposal as a starting point:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LNC regional representatives and alternates who serve at the pleasure of
>>> the region member state chairs are encouraged to provide a transparent
>>> channel that facilitates mutually supportive communication between the LNC
>>> and officers and members of the regional state organizations. Actual
>>> regional organization policies are left to the discretion of and agreement
>>> between the member state chairs and their regional representatives and
>>> alternates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I suggest this change:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LNC Regional Representatives and Alternates who serve at the pleasure of
>>> their Region, as specified in the Region Formation Agreement, are
>>> encouraged to provide a transparent channel that facilitates mutually
>>> supportive communication between the LNC and Officers and members of the
>>> regional state affiliates. Actual regional organization policies and
>>> additional duties are left to the discretion of and agreement between the
>>> member state chairs and their Regional Representatives and Alternates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>>
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>
>>> Region 1 Representative
>>>
>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington)
>>>
>>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Caryn. Can you provide an alternative example and how we might
>>> modify the proposed statement to address that alternative?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE!*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *The Invisible Hand of Self-Interest is Mightier Than the Sword of
>>> Government!*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>>> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 10:59 AM
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Cc:* david.demarest at firstdata.com; David Demarest <secretary at lpne.org>;
>>> lnc-business <lnc-business at lp.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] details for electronic mail ballots
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes that is what I was thinking- a policy manual section.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David also, not all reps serve at the pleasure of the state chairs- that
>>> is the default.  The region agreement can specify otherwise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* David Demarest [mailto:secretary at lpne.org <secretary at lpne.org>]
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 11:13 AM
>>> *To:* 'Sam Goldstein' <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>; '
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org' <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>> *Cc:* 'lnc-business' <lnc-business at lp.org>; '
>>> david.demarest at firstdata.com' <david.demarest at firstdata.com>
>>> *Subject:* RE: [Lnc-business] details for electronic mail ballots
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Sam – makes sense to put it in the policy manual. What is the
>>> procedure to get a Regional Representative responsibilities statement added
>>> to the policy manual?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> By the way, the original idea for the following suggested policy
>>> statement came from the fertile mind of Brett Bittner, Region 3
>>> Representative. Thanks Brett!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LNC regional representatives and alternates who serve at the pleasure of
>>> the region member state chairs are encouraged to provide a transparent
>>> channel that facilitates mutually supportive communication between the LNC
>>> and officers and members of the regional state organizations. Actual
>>> regional organization policies are left to the discretion of and agreement
>>> between the member state chairs and their regional representatives and
>>> alternates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any suggested revisions to the above text?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *The Invisible Hand of Self-Interest is Mightier Than the Sword of
>>> Government!*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>>> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 11:16 AM
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Cc:* david.demarest at firstdata.com; lnc-business <lnc-business at lp.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] details for electronic mail ballots
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David, can you start a new thread with the right title?  This is still
>>> under "electronic email ballot" and will be impossible to find in the
>>> future.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>>
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>
>>> Region 1 Representative
>>>
>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:13 AM, David Demarest <secretary at lpne.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Sam – makes sense to put it in the policy manual. What is the
>>> procedure to get a Regional Representative responsibilities statement added
>>> to the policy manual?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> By the way, the original idea for the following suggested policy
>>> statement came from the fertile mind of Brett Bittner, Region 3
>>> Representative. Thanks Brett!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LNC regional representatives and alternates who serve at the pleasure of
>>> the region member state chairs are encouraged to provide a transparent
>>> channel that facilitates mutually supportive communication between the LNC
>>> and officers and members of the regional state organizations. Actual
>>> regional organization policies are left to the discretion of and agreement
>>> between the member state chairs and their regional representatives and
>>> alternates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any suggested revisions to the above text?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *The Invisible Hand of Self-Interest is Mightier Than the Sword of
>>> Government!*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
>>> Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee
>>>
>>> Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>> Secretary at LPNE.org
>>>
>>> David.Demarest at LP.org
>>>
>>> DPDemarest at centurylink.net
>>>
>>> David.Demarest at firstdata.com
>>>
>>> http://www.LPNE.org <http://www.lpne.org/>
>>>
>>> http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>
>>>
>>> Cell:      402-981-6469
>>>
>>> Home: 402-493-0873
>>>
>>> Office: 402-222-7207
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Sam Goldstein [mailto:goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2016 10:37 AM
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Cc:* lnc-business <lnc-business at lp.org>; david.demarest at firstdata.com;
>>> David Demarest <secretary at lpne.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] details for electronic mail ballots
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The LNC has no power to change the By-Laws, only the delegates in
>>> convention.  The LNC can amend the Policy Manual so it might be best to
>>> look for a place to insert your suggested Regional Representative
>>> responsiblities language in that document.  There are very few mentions of
>>> Regional Reps in the current language and the only responsibility outlined
>>> is the Regional Report to be submitted prior to every LNC meeting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Having a definition inserted in the Policy Manual would help future
>>> newbies in determining their role and might encourage more people to seed a
>>> spot from their region.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Live Free,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>> Member at Large
>>>
>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>
>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>
>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>
>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 9:33 AM, David Demarest <
>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Alicia – Thank you for very clear and unambiguous instructions and
>>> procedures on LNC email balloting – very helpful to us newcomers on the
>>> board!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On a similar but separate subject, at your convenience when your
>>> schedule is not so crazy, I would appreciate receiving similar instructions
>>> and procedures excerpted from the bylaws or elsewhere in LNC documentation
>>> that  clearly delineates the roles and responsibilities of regional
>>> representatives and their alternates. With Caryn Ann Harlos' help, I see
>>> some of region structure mechanical details. However, I have not been able
>>> to locate any LNC documentation that spells out regional representative and
>>> alternate roles and responsibilities.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Caryn Ann and I have discussed a possible default description of
>>> regional representative and alternate roles and responsibilities. I submit
>>> the following for discussion:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LNC regional representatives and alternates who serve at the pleasure of
>>> the region member state chairs are encouraged to provide a transparent
>>> channel that facilitates mutually supportive communication between the LNC
>>> and officers and members of the regional state organizations. Actual
>>> regional organization policies are left to the discretion of and agreement
>>> between the member state chairs and their regional representatives and
>>> alternates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Question: Should the above be offered as a motion or as an amendment to
>>> the bylaws? If a motion is appropriate, in addition to Caryn, are there two
>>> more board members that would like to co-sponsor such a motion following
>>> discussion and revisions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE!*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
>>> Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee
>>>
>>> Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>> Secretary at LPNE.org
>>>
>>> David.Demarest at LP.org
>>>
>>> DPDemarest at centurylink.net
>>>
>>> David.Demarest at firstdata.com
>>>
>>> http://www.LPNE.org <http://www.lpne.org/>
>>>
>>> http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>
>>>
>>> Cell:      402-981-6469
>>>
>>> Home: 402-493-0873
>>>
>>> Office: 402-222-7207
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative
>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>> Washington)
>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
>>
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-- 
In Liberty,
Caryn Ann Harlos
Region 1 Representative
(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)
Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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