[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2016-01: Riot Fest

Mon Jun 27 00:25:51 EDT 2016

When you say the event has a "national focus", what do you mean?  If all
you mean is that people come from other states to the event, then we could
say the same of Mardi Gras or Burning Man.  People come from all over for a
big party.

CAH>> CO essentially committed  to fund an event with a national focus thus
subsidizing a national event, and were willing to do it, if it became
necessary but is asking the LNC to contribute in fairness.

That's an interesting sales pitch, but I just don't agree that it's our
duty to do it, and CO is subsidizing it for us, and it's only fair that we
contribute.

CAH>>And they are offering to share all contact information received with
the national party.

I don't see that as being in the bonus category.  I would just expect it if
we helped fund it.  Contact info is the main thing of value that could
likely be a return on our investment.  I just don't know how much of that
we'll get.

-Alicia

On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Alicia,
>
> ==Isn't asking for extra beyond the $200-300 essentially a subsidy for
> the state party to back-fund their other efforts?==
>
> That is certainly one reasonable way to view it, but I think there is an
> equally reasonable way to look at it, and this is CO's view as I understand
> it.  CO essentially committed  to fund an event with a national focus thus
> subsidizing a national event, and were willing to do it, if it became
> necessary but is asking the LNC to contribute in fairness.  That is their
> perspective.  And they are offering to share all contact information
> received with the national party.
>
> ==Just because there are political overtones to the event, that doesn't
> necessarily mean that the attendees are likely voters.  Maybe they are, but
> maybe they're not.  I don't know.==
>
> I think that makes it just as likely as, say, PrideFest (which most
> parties regularly attend) are likely voters--which LPCO did do this year as
> well.  This is the Bernie Sanders crowd that we need to reach.  And if they
> were not 'likely' voters when they walked in, perhaps seeing another way
> other than the Terrible Two, will turn them into likely voters.
> Additionally, there is a value itself in getting the "brand" out, and as
> mentioned, there is likely to be very youth-directed media there.
>
> My perspective regarding national and the affiliates is well known and
> vocal.  We exist to support them in whatever way possible (just stating my
> position, not to argue whether my position is right), and if that is the
> case, we have a state party that is aggressively doing outreach and is
> willing to staff and support an event that will likely not benefit them as
> much in CO itself as others.
>
>
>
>
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative
> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
> Washington)
>
> *PS: remember, please sign your emails... the sender information is often
> unclear when this goes to the public list, and the members can have a hard
> time keeping track of who said what, and they deserve to know.*
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I understand the desire from CO to spend less if possible, but the LNC
>> also has competing interests for its limited resources.  Cash, sometimes
>> more-so than budget, is often the big driver of spending decisions, as
>> budget often exceeds cash.  If we don't spend cash on this budget item, we
>> have more cash left over for ballot access drive overruns and defending
>> challenges.
>>
>> If CO looked at their budget and decided they'd put in up to $800, then I
>> don't think the LNC should be asked to pay more than the difference between
>> that and the $1100 total.  Isn't asking for extra beyond the $200-300
>> essentially a subsidy for the state party to back-fund their other efforts?
>>
>> Just because there are political overtones to the event, that doesn't
>> necessarily mean that the attendees are likely voters.  Maybe they are, but
>> maybe they're not.  I don't know.
>>
>> Yes, growing the base is always desired, but especially this year, I
>> think we'll get the most bang for our buck by targeting likely voters who
>> won't vote for Hillary or Trump.  Are those the people at Riot Fest?  I
>> don't know.  Are attendees there to talk politics or to party?  I don't
>> know.
>>
>> -Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> First of all I abstain.
>>>
>>> To answer Alicia's question, this is my understanding.  CO is committed
>>> to pay $800 if necessary (that was their maximum) but that would
>>> potentially limit further outreach events that they could do in this season
>>> in addition to activities to promote the Johnson campaign that may arise.
>>> CO is next weekend going to the Western Conservative Summit, a major
>>> political event in CO, with a booth cost of $1,000.  CO also just paid to
>>> fly in Will Coley to go on outreach visits to prominent CO mosques in order
>>> to reach the Muslim community.  CO is aggressive in Outreach and commits
>>> quite a bit of limited funds to said activities.  Riot Fest, as an event in
>>> CO that draws from all over the country, they were requesting that National
>>> assist to an extent that would relieve some of that burden since a good
>>> deal of the benefit would not go directly to CO but to the Party writ
>>> large.  Further, in order to adequately staff the booth (2 would be a
>>> skeleton crew), additional passes would need to be purchased (it is unknown
>>> if passes can be transferred at this point as well), and this would free up
>>> resources to purchase items to sell (though no approval has been made on
>>> that by the LPCO board).  Last year non-profits did get a 10% discount, but
>>> that has not been confirmed for this year, but there is the potential that
>>> the minimum cost to CO may be $920 (the booth fee is $800 and $200 for the
>>> liability insurance).
>>>
>>> I have copied the LPCO State Chair on this email so he can communicate
>>> to me if I have mischaracterized or omitted anything here.
>>>
>>> As far as information on Riot Fest, this is from an earlier email to the
>>> LNC on this:
>>>
>>> Riot Fest is a 3 day music festival that is held in 2 cities on separate
>>> dates in September.  This event is extremely popular as people travel from
>>> across the county and internationally to attend.  There are five to six
>>> stages in all. Vendor tents are placed outside, usually along the perimeter
>>> of the fenced in area by the outdoor stages. Attendance is expected to be
>>> approximately 40,000 per day, so there are a lot of people walking around
>>> from stage to stage. There is ample space to speak to the festival goers at
>>> our outside tent. We will be able to carry on conversations with potential
>>> voters.  We can also expect national media coverage as MTV, Rolling Stone,
>>> Huffington Post amongst others have covered the event in the past.  The
>>> target demographic will be the disenchanted Bernie Sanders supporters,
>>> Independents and anyone looking for a 3rd party option.  As the event is
>>> built around, but not limited to, Punk Rock there are heavy political
>>> undertones.  I have also been in contact with Seth Levy from the Gary
>>> Johnson campaign who says that this event is “right up his ally” however
>>> due to potential security concerns at that point in the campaign can not
>>> guarantee his appearance.
>>>
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Region 1 Representative
>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)
>>>
>>> *PS: remember, please sign your emails... the sender information is often unclear when this goes to the public list, and the members can have a hard time keeping track of who said what, and they deserve to know.*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I vote Yes.
>>>>
>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>> LNC At Large
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 26, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 6, 2016 at 11:59:59pm
>>>> Pacific time.*
>>>> *Co-Sponsors:*  Harlos, Goldstein, Hayes, Bittner
>>>>
>>>> *Motion:*  Move that the LNC provide $600.00 to LPCO for the Riot Fest
>>>> event.  These funds would come from the budget for Affiliate Support.
>>>>
>>>> -Alicia
>>>>
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>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Region 1 Representative
>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington)
>>> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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> Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org
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