[Lnc-business] Problems with LNC email lists – still!

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

I stopped following the public reflector list on Google since I determined
messages were missing and I don't advertise it any longer.

-Caryn Ann

On Monday, July 4, 2016, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Is anything being done to fix the email list problems and consolidate the
> LNC emails to a single list as discussed in the thread from a few weeks ago
> below?
>
> The multiple message issue seems to have if anything gotten
> worse. Somehow I've been receiving at least two copies of every LNC message
> for some time now, and *four* copies of some, when people include both
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at hq.lp.org');> and
> lnc-business at lp.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business at lp.org');>
> in their message headers.
>
> Anyone know whether some emails are still not showing up on the public
> reflector list?
>
> Love & Liberty,
>                                                         ((( starchild )))
>            At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (2016-2018)
> At-Large Alternate, Libertarian Party of California Executive Committee
> (2016-2017)
>                                              RealReform at earthlink.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','RealReform at earthlink.net');>
>                                                       (415) 625-FREE
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2016, at 3:08 PM, lnc-votes at hq.lp.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-votes at hq.lp.org');> wrote:
>
> I believe we need *fewer* lists/groups here, not more. The existence of
> too many LNC lists is creating confusion, and is liable to continue to do
> so as people come and go from the LNC and the reflector list. I haven't
> seen anyone weigh in on the two solutions I proposed:
>
> (1) We maintain one and only one list for communication among LNC members,
>> and scrap all other non-public lists entirely. Then it should be a simple
>> matter to ensure that those other lists are not inadvertently used and that
>> everything which appears on the sole LNC list gets forwarded to the public
>> reflector list.
>>
>> (2) We have everyone (LNC members and non-LNC members) subscribed to the
>> same list, but with only LNC members having posting privileges. Then there
>> would never be any question of whether all the messages on our list are
>> properly making it to the public list, since they would not need to be
>> forwarded at all.
>>
>> I favor option #2 as being the best, if it is technically feasible, but
>> option #1 could also go a long way toward resolving these issues.
>
>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>
>>                                            ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (2016-2018)
>>                               RealReform at earthlink.net
>>                                        (415) 625-FREE
>
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> Robert,
>
> I understand the limited time and nightmare of having to work with Google
> lists.  I also understand that the lp.org list has the complete emails.
> I also understand the threading problem.  But I don't think you have
> understood my point:  despite all that, there are messages simply not
> ending up on the google list.  For instance my two replies to Brett's posts
> on the Weeks' situation.
>
> Yes, anyone who wants the full list can go to lp.org.  But the point I am
> making is that having an incomplete list that people can subscribe to is *actively
> harmful.*  If we cannot, due to time (understandable) or limited
> resources (also understandable) have the google list be complete, we
> shouldn't have it.
>
> As far as other solutions, I am not an IT person.  I don't have any
> solution.  I only know that a partially complete list that some people are
> relying upon to be informed Party members is not helping them, it is
> hurting them.  It is giving them an incomplete picture.
>
> I did not take this off list because I feel this discussion is important
> for the members to see.
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 13, 2016, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','robert.kraus at lp.org');>> wrote:
>
>> Thank you again for your comments. From what I can tell Google Groups is
>> getting confused because for some reason when I sort our own list (link
>> below) by subject – I see at least 6 different subject threads.
>>
>> So it is something to do with the way Google Groups sets up conversations
>> based on subjects. I truly do not have the time I am very very sorry to
>> work this out anytime in the next few days.
>>
>> ALL MESSAGES HOWEVER APPEAR HERE SO NO ONE WHO WANTS TO READ YOUR
>> CONVERSATIONS ARE BEING CHEATED:
>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/
>>
>> Do note you can check messages by thread, author, subject or date.
>>
>> The Google group is trying to sort by tread (conversation) and I can have
>> it re-sort in some other way (I think default is date). We did try Yahoo
>> Groups before Google but that was worse.
>>
>> If you would like - please feel free to create an additional group that
>> you will manage and send Alicia and I (off list) the email address for that
>> group and we will ad that to the distro for the business list. Perhaps you
>> know of something better then Google or Yahoo groups?
>>
>> Please take this discussion off list so Alicia and I can work directly
>> with you on resolving this.
>>
>> Live Free!​​​​
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
>> Operations at LP.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Operations at LP.org');>
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231
>>
>
>

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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