[Lnc-business] Problems with LNC email lists – still!

Tue Jul 5 00:35:29 EDT 2016

If someone sends the email to lnc-business at lp.org it ends up creating
the "dual" response problem, as the reply-to is then set to
lnc-business at hq.lp.org and the reply goes to both. If the original
sender uses lnc-business at hq.lp.org then the dual response doesn't
happen. 

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Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
LPKY Judicial Committee 

On 2016-07-05 00:30, Ken Moellman wrote: 

> The issue appears to be because the "from" is lnc-business at lp.org but the "reply to" is lnc-business at hq.lp.org for whatever reason. 
> 
> It's weird because "reply to" should trump the "from". 
> 
> I'm sending this as a test to see what happens when I send only to the reply-to. 
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> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee 
> 
> On 2016-07-04 23:58, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote: 
> 
> I stopped following the public reflector list on Google since I determined messages were missing and I don't advertise it any longer. 
> 
> -Caryn Ann 
> 
> On Monday, July 4, 2016, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Is anything being done to fix the email list problems and consolidate the LNC emails to a single list as discussed in the thread from a few weeks ago below? 
> 
> The multiple message issue seems to have if anything gotten worse. Somehow I've been receiving at least two copies of every LNC message for some time now, and _FOUR_ copies of some, when people include both lnc-business at hq.lp.org and lnc-business at lp.org in their message headers. 
> 
> Anyone know whether some emails are still not showing up on the public reflector list? 
> 
> Love & Liberty, 
> ((( starchild ))) 
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (2016-2018) 
> At-Large Alternate, Libertarian Party of California Executive Committee (2016-2017) 
> RealReform at earthlink.net 
> (415) 625-FREE 
> 
> On Jun 13, 2016, at 3:08 PM, lnc-votes at hq.lp.org wrote: 
> 
> I believe we need _FEWER_ lists/groups here, not more. The existence of too many LNC lists is creating confusion, and is liable to continue to do so as people come and go from the LNC and the reflector list. I haven't seen anyone weigh in on the two solutions I proposed: 
> 
> (1) We maintain one and only one list for communication among LNC members, and scrap all other non-public lists entirely. Then it should be a simple matter to ensure that those other lists are not inadvertently used and that everything which appears on the sole LNC list gets forwarded to the public reflector list.
> 
> (2) We have everyone (LNC members and non-LNC members) subscribed to the same list, but with only LNC members having posting privileges. Then there would never be any question of whether all the messages on our list are properly making it to the public list, since they would not need to be forwarded at all.
> 
> I favor option #2 as being the best, if it is technically feasible, but option #1 could also go a long way toward resolving these issues.

> Love & Liberty,
> 
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (2016-2018)
> RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE

On Jun 13, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote: 

> Robert, 
> 
> I understand the limited time and nightmare of having to work with Google lists. I also understand that the lp.org [3] list has the complete emails. I also understand the threading problem. But I don't think you have understood my point: despite all that, there are messages simply not ending up on the google list. For instance my two replies to Brett's posts on the Weeks' situation. 
> 
> Yes, anyone who wants the full list can go to lp.org [3]. But the point I am making is that having an incomplete list that people can subscribe to is ACTIVELY HARMFUL. If we cannot, due to time (understandable) or limited resources (also understandable) have the google list be complete, we shouldn't have it. 
> 
> As far as other solutions, I am not an IT person. I don't have any solution. I only know that a partially complete list that some people are relying upon to be informed Party members is not helping them, it is hurting them. It is giving them an incomplete picture. 
> 
> I did not take this off list because I feel this discussion is important for the members to see. 
> 
> On Monday, June 13, 2016, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you again for your comments. From what I can tell Google Groups is getting confused because for some reason when I sort our own list (link below) by subject - I see at least 6 different subject threads.
>> 
>> So it is something to do with the way Google Groups sets up conversations based on subjects. I truly do not have the time I am very very sorry to work this out anytime in the next few days.
>> 
>> ALL MESSAGES HOWEVER APPEAR HERE SO NO ONE WHO WANTS TO READ YOUR CONVERSATIONS ARE BEING CHEATED: http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/ [1]
>> 
>> Do note you can check messages by thread, author, subject or date.
>> 
>> The Google group is trying to sort by tread (conversation) and I can have it re-sort in some other way (I think default is date). We did try Yahoo Groups before Google but that was worse.
>> 
>> If you would like - please feel free to create an additional group that you will manage and send Alicia and I (off list) the email address for that group and we will ad that to the distro for the business list. Perhaps you know of something better then Google or Yahoo groups?
>> 
>> Please take this discussion off list so Alicia and I can work directly with you on resolving this.
>> 
>> Live Free!
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
>> Operations at LP.org
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231 [2]

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IN LIBERTY, 
CARYN ANN HARLOS 
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org 
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado [4] 
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus [5] 

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