[Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] Dec Meeting

Sat Jul 30 20:09:12 EDT 2016

Caryn,

	Have you and the folks you're consulting in your region seen the proposed spending for this meeting? I haven't. How much of the party's money do you and others think it is acceptable to spend on meeting spaces? I wouldn't have any problem with the party spending money for this purpose if there were no free meeting spaces available – but there are, including in our own office!

	I assume there is some upper limit on how much of our members' money you feel it's reasonable to spend for an LNC meeting? If LNC members, or folks back home, name their upper limit numbers, then we can get a better sense of what people want. 

	I would have no issue leaving the issue in the hands of staff if all meeting options potentially under consideration were equally expensive, or if we instructed them to find that spot that meets our needs (as we collectively define them) which is least expensive overall. But of course the options aren't necessarily equally expensive, and we've never formally defined our needs and instructed staff to choose the least expensive choice which meets those needs.

Love & Liberty,
                                   ((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
                       RealReform at earthlink.net
                                (415) 625-FREE

On Jul 30, 2016, at 4:47 PM, lnc-votes at hq.lp.org wrote:

> I have solicited input from my region and thus far the members have said this is a reasonable expense (small sample size but of members who pay attention to what we do)
> 
> My job is to represent my region and so far they support reasonable Party-paid facilities 
> 
> In Liberty,
> Caryn Ann Harlos
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> 
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> On Saturday, July 30, 2016, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
> One other thing to point out about our meeting in Alexandria.  Our staff resides in the area and this saves considerable amounts of money as we do not have to pay for their flights and rooms somewhere else.
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> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jul 30, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> By the way - an LNC term is 2 years.  If you cancel a credit card, you can generally sign up and get the sign-on bonus again after 2 years.  Managing this correctly can save you approximately half of your travel costs - last term, I only had to pay for a hotel once,and one flight, after the midpoint of the term - but I also did some other travel on my points.  This term it hasn't quite kicked in yet.  
>> 
>> That said, I agree with Caryn and Brett.  Remember that time last term we first couldn't choose a city, and then tried to pick the hotel?  I think our costs ended up much higher that way because of the incredibly delay.
>> 
>> Joshua A. Katz
>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
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>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Brett Bittner <brett.bittner at lp.org> wrote:
>> Caryn Ann,
>> 
>> I get similar feedback from both members and those who aren't members yet. ;-)
>> 
>> When I mention that I'm committed to the business of the Party to fly all over the country to perform it on my own dime, the only response is one of respect for that commitment. My mother has mentioned to me several times that I MUST be crazy, and she makes the effort to find out my LNC travel schedule to help me get the most for my money. She's transferred Southwest Rapid Rewards points and hotel loyalty rewards that she's earned to reduce that liability. Last term, Dr. Feldman and I did not accept the funds that the LPIN sets aside for our Region Reps and Alternates to travel to these meetings. 
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>> I've found that Robert does a terrific job negotiating the best rates for our group, and I appreciate that he does so.
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>> Our job is to provide governance for the Party, not micro-manage every decision or penny spent. 
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>> I'm looking forward to our next meeting in Alexandria,
>> 
>> Brett C. Bittner
>> 
>> Region 3 Representative 
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> 
>> brett.bittner at lp.org
>> 317.699.2611
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It is my understanding that we vote on locations in general and trust the staff to make suitable arrangements within a budget.
>> 
>> I certainly don't think a governing board should be wasting time deciding between venues.
>> 
>> Running the party (including meetings) has certain overhead.  I have no issue with it.
>> 
>> I will ask my region what their thoughts are but I suspect they are fine with reasonable accommodations for meetings.  Most members are in awe that there are people willing to travel and do this work on their own dime.  Outsiders think I'm crazy.
>> 
>> 
>> In Liberty,
>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> 
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>> On Saturday, July 30, 2016, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 	I know we voted to meet in Alexandria, Tim – but I don't recall voting on a specific location in Alexandria. That's what I was talking about.
>> 
>> 	Robert, when you send the details, please include the full itemized details on the cost of the meeting along with the contract if there is one.
>> 
>> Love & Liberty,
>>                                    ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>                        RealReform at earthlink.net
>>                                 (415) 625-FREE
>> 
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>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Tim Hagan wrote:
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>>> Alexandria was voted at the May 30 Post-Convention meeting.
>>> https://www.lp.org/files/20160530_LNC.pdf
>>> 
>>> Tim Hagan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org 
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 12:34 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] Dec Meeting
>>> 
>>> 	Resending this as I'm not sure that it ever got posted...
>>> 
>>>                                       ((( starchild )))
>>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Starchild wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 	In the past the LNC has often voted on meeting locations. Did I miss where this one was delegated to staff?
>>>> 
>>>> 	How much will this location cost us, Robert? Does it include food or any other considerations? Room nights?
>>>> 
>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>                                    ((( starchild )))
>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>                        RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>                                 (415) 625-FREE
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Monday, July 25, 2016, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>> The Dec meeting will be at the Residence Inn next to the office on Duke St. I will send out full details and a reservation link by the end of the week.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Live Free!
>>>>>  
>>>>> Robert
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
>>>>> Operations at LP.org
>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>> 1444 Duke Street
>>>>> Alexandria, VA 22314
>>>>> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231
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