[Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] Dec Meeting
Caryn Ann Harlos
carynannharlos at gmail.com
Sun Jul 31 00:12:52 EDT 2016
Starchild, it seems to me that the majority do stay where the conference
room is booked however, and we have to go with averages. I have no issue
with frugality on choice of venue all things considered.
As far as the lunch thing last meeting, I wasn't gone long and the side
dishes were still there, so I did get some macaroni salad and potato chips,
but this was not said to complain, just to say we certainly didn't
over-provide. I would be interested in what that expense was though.
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Thanks Caryn. LNC members and guests won't necessarily be staying at the
> same hotel however. I understand that there are room discounts to be had if
> you agree to book a certain number of room nights at a venue, but even with
> the discount, some members and guests typically find that it is more than
> they are willing or able to spend and seek less expensive accommodations
> elsewhere. This means of course that those members/guests on lower budgets
> are further burdened by having to travel off-site. This issue could be
> ameliorated by looking into less expensive venues (e.g. motels instead of
> hotels), which I don't think we've been doing currently.
>
> It's possible there was no food left at the Vegas meeting when you got
> done with the bathroom because they'd taken it away. One issue I've noticed
> is that hotels will often take away food that we've paid for after most
> people have eaten if we don't specifically ask them to leave it until we're
> all done. But I agree that the food provided by the Planet Hollywood hotel
> was sparse to begin with. Hopefully that means we paid correspondingly
> little, but I haven't seen the meeting expense numbers for our last meeting
> either (and would like to – Robert, will you please pass this info along as
> well?).
>
> I agree with Dan that meeting in Alexandria is good because it saves
> paying for flights and rooms for staff if we are otherwise doing that.
> Although as I've also pointed out, there is also the option of not having
> them come to meetings but simply contacting them via speaker phone when we
> need their input, as we've often done with counsel and others.
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> RealReform at earthlink.net
> (415) 625-FREE
>
> P.S. – When we were discussing buying an office space during the 2012-2014
> term, I specifically said we should make sure that we get a space with room
> to hold LNC meetings, because this could save us thousands of dollars a
> year.
>
>
> On Jul 30, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> Hi Starchild, I promised the members that I would get with them with the
> actual costs once provided. I also promised them I would view the LP
> national offices meeting space to see if it is unsuitable as represented at
> the post-convention meeting.
>
> There comes a time when ROI is diminishing. A space off site of hotel
> increases expenses for transportation and makes it difficult even for the
> public. Increased staff time fiddling around is an expense. Having a
> meeting room at a hotel where the LNC members will be staying is just
> common sense reasonable to me. I agree that if the LP offices are
> sufficient, we should have them there, but the other LNC members said it
> was not. I will see for myself.
>
> I have seen no proof that what is being spent is extravagent. The
> facilities in Vegas were modest enough for the needs (a bit more room then
> we needed) and the food was certain sparse... in fact, there was none left
> when I got back from running to the bathroom, so we certainly didn't
> over-order (and I was fine going without a meal, I eat like a bird anyways).
>
> I just do not see a huge deal to be upset about in obtaining a conference
> room at a hotel where guests and LNC members will be flying into. For
> Alexandria, I reserve judgment on our offices until I see them. And if
> there is not sufficient room for members to attend and be reasonably
> comfortable, then it is unsuitable. And if there is no elbow room at all
> for the LNC, it will be unsuitable. I happen to be very uncomfortable
> having to be right up against other people for hours and that is no way for
> us to be mentally focused to do the job at hand. My mother's saying of
> penny-wise and pound-foolish comes to mind.
>
> I do, though, wish to see the expenditures, and promised the Region 1
> members that I would provide that information to them. They also are very
> eager to learn if the LP offices are suitable to meet.
>
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Caryn,
>>
>> Have you and the folks you're consulting in your region seen the proposed
>> spending for this meeting? I haven't. How much of the party's money do you
>> and others think it is acceptable to spend on meeting spaces? I wouldn't
>> have any problem with the party spending money for this purpose if there
>> were no free meeting spaces available – but there are, including in our own
>> office!
>>
>> I assume there is some upper limit on how much of our members' money you
>> feel it's reasonable to spend for an LNC meeting? If LNC members, or folks
>> back home, name their upper limit numbers, then we can get a better sense
>> of what people want.
>>
>> I would have no issue leaving the issue in the hands of staff if all
>> meeting options potentially under consideration were equally expensive, or
>> if we instructed them to find that spot that meets our needs (as we
>> collectively define them) which is least expensive overall. But of course
>> the options aren't necessarily equally expensive, and we've never formally
>> defined our needs and instructed staff to choose the least expensive choice
>> which meets those needs.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>> ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>> (415) 625-FREE
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 4:47 PM, lnc-votes at hq.lp.org wrote:
>>
>> I have solicited input from my region and thus far the members have said
>> this is a reasonable expense (small sample size but of members who pay
>> attention to what we do)
>>
>> My job is to represent my region and so far they support reasonable
>> Party-paid facilities
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 30, 2016, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>>> One other thing to point out about our meeting in Alexandria. Our staff
>>> resides in the area and this saves considerable amounts of money as we do
>>> not have to pay for their flights and rooms somewhere else.
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel Hayes
>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> By the way - an LNC term is 2 years. If you cancel a credit card, you
>>> can generally sign up and get the sign-on bonus again after 2 years.
>>> Managing this correctly can save you approximately half of your travel
>>> costs - last term, I only had to pay for a hotel once,and one flight, after
>>> the midpoint of the term - but I also did some other travel on my points.
>>> This term it hasn't quite kicked in yet.
>>>
>>> That said, I agree with Caryn and Brett. Remember that time last term
>>> we first couldn't choose a city, and then tried to pick the hotel? I think
>>> our costs ended up much higher that way because of the incredibly delay.
>>>
>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Brett Bittner <brett.bittner at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>>
>>>> I get similar feedback from both members and those who aren't members
>>>> yet. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> When I mention that I'm committed to the business of the Party to fly
>>>> all over the country to perform it on my own dime, the only response is one
>>>> of respect for that commitment. My mother has mentioned to me several times
>>>> that I MUST be crazy, and she makes the effort to find out my LNC travel
>>>> schedule to help me get the most for my money. She's transferred Southwest
>>>> Rapid Rewards points and hotel loyalty rewards that she's earned to reduce
>>>> that liability. Last term, Dr. Feldman and I did not accept the funds that
>>>> the LPIN sets aside for our Region Reps and Alternates to travel to these
>>>> meetings.
>>>>
>>>> I've found that Robert does a terrific job negotiating the best rates
>>>> for our group, and I appreciate that he does so.
>>>>
>>>> Our job is to provide governance for the Party, not micro-manage every
>>>> decision or penny spent.
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking forward to our next meeting in Alexandria,
>>>>
>>>> Brett C. Bittner
>>>>
>>>> Region 3 Representative
>>>> Libertarian National Committee <http://lp.org/>
>>>>
>>>> brett.bittner at lp.org
>>>> 317.699.2611
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is my understanding that we vote on locations in general and trust
>>>>> the staff to make suitable arrangements within a budget.
>>>>>
>>>>> I certainly don't think a governing board should be wasting time
>>>>> deciding between venues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Running the party (including meetings) has certain overhead. I have
>>>>> no issue with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will ask my region what their thoughts are but I suspect they are
>>>>> fine with reasonable accommodations for meetings. Most members are in awe
>>>>> that there are people willing to travel and do this work on their own
>>>>> dime. Outsiders think I'm crazy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, July 30, 2016, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know we voted to meet in Alexandria, Tim – but I don't recall
>>>>>> voting on a specific location in Alexandria. That's what I was talking
>>>>>> about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert, when you send the details, please include the full itemized
>>>>>> details on the cost of the meeting along with the contract if there is one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Tim Hagan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alexandria was voted at the May 30 Post-Convention meeting.
>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/files/20160530_LNC.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim Hagan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 30, 2016 12:34 AM
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] Dec Meeting
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Resending this as I'm not sure that it ever got posted...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Starchild wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the past the LNC has often voted on meeting locations. Did I miss
>>>>>> where this one was delegated to staff?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How much will this location cost us, Robert? Does it include food or
>>>>>> any other considerations? Room nights?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, July 25, 2016, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Dec meeting will be at the Residence Inn next to the office on Duke
>>>>>> St. I will send out full details and a reservation link by the end
>>>>>> of the week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Live Free!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Robert*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert S. Kraus - Dir of Operations
>>>>>> Operations at LP.org
>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>>> 1444 Duke Street
>>>>>> Alexandria, VA 22314
>>>>>> Ph: 202.333.0008 x 231
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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