[Lnc-business] Amended Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution - seeking co-sponsors

Caryn Ann Harlos carynannharlos at gmail.com
Wed Aug 10 12:21:32 EDT 2016 

I want to be clear that I still support either and there are sufficient
co-sponsors for both.  I have not withdrawn my support for the first option
but merely extended support for the second.

I asked Alicia for guidance here.  My preference would be an A-B vote.
Since there is support for both, I think we should be able to choose one,
both, or neither.

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>


On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Caryn and all.
>
> I noticed one minor error in the language of my proposed version of the
> Colorado resolution – I forgot to add the word "and" after the first two
> "Whereas" clauses, as I did for the others. I trust this change can be
> incorporated into the proposal on the table without objection?
>
> The revised wording with changes would read:
>
> WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human right;
>> and
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any
>> level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the
>> ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition; and
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due
>> process and denies the legitimacy of laws against victimless "crimes”;
>> and
>>
>> WHEREAS, governments in the United States have steadily encroached upon
>> these rights by illegitimately regulating and restricting
>> access to firearms and ammunition and may further seek to abrogate civil
>> rights, and indeed the basic human right, to self-defense by prohibiting
>> access to firearms and ammunition even in cases where a person has not
>> been convicted of any crime; and
>> WHEREAS some recent statements by Libertarian candidates appearing in the
>> media have the potential to cause confusion among members of the public
>> regarding how Libertarians view these issues;
>>
>> THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes
>> any law or policy which would deny or restrict any person's access
>> to firearms or ammunition simply as a result of their name
>> appearing on a government watch or no-fly list, reaffirms both our
>> party's opposition to any further regulations on firearms and ammunition as
>> described above and our demand that all such existing regulations be
>> repealed, and calls upon Libertarian candidates to uphold our party's
>> pro-freedom stance.
>>
>
> Love & Liberty,
>                                  ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                               (415) 625-FREE
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> The CO chair indicates preference for theStarchild  amendment and I
> brought this at the request of CO.  Thereby I amend my request.  Hayes,
> Goldstein, and Katz do not co-sponsor the amendment.
>
> I seek the Secretary's instruction how to proceed.
>
> My primary support as requester falls to the Starchild amendment with
> these co-sponsors:
>
> Starchild, Harlos, Vohra, Demarest
>
> I withdraw my prior request for ballot and request an email ballot proceed
> on the Starchild amendment as it has the needed support and is the
> preference of the state which asked me to submit.
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 10, 2016, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Per discussion with Caryn, I withdraw my suggested philosophical
>> addition. I will vote in favor of Starchild’s original stronger version
>> without my suggested addition.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE!*
>>
>>
>>
>> *The Invisible Hand of Self-Interest is Mightier Than the Sword of
>> Government!*
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> http://www.lpne.org
>>
>> secretary at lpne.org
>>
>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net
>>
>> david.demarest at firstdata.com
>>
>> Cell: 402-981-6469
>>
>> Home: 402-493-0873
>>
>> Office: 402-222-7207
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* David Demarest [mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:28 AM
>> *To:* 'lnc-business at hq.lp.org' <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>> *Cc:* david.demarest at firstdata.com; 'David Demarest' <
>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
>> *Subject:* RE: [Lnc-business] Amended Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution -
>> seeking co-sponsors
>>
>>
>>
>> I have reviewed the original and stronger language versions and will vote
>> in favor of the stronger version which does an excellent job of getting to
>> the heart of the matter, specifically what prompted the motion, and
>> includes the necessary precisely detailed language.
>>
>> I would suggest adding the following if appropriate after wordsmithing,
>> although this is more of a philosophical statement reflecting my personal
>> perspective on the matter:
>>
>>
>>
>> Whereas: We affirm not only the right of all citizens to own and bear
>> arms but also the need to stop abdicating our responsibility to protect
>> ourselves to the government which the government can then use against us.
>> Further, a well-armed citizenry is the best deterrent to both internal and
>> external aggression and, rather than increasing the risk of violence, it
>> would save many lives. [This is off the cuff - significant wordsmithing
>> needed]
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE!*
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> http://www.lpne.org
>>
>> secretary at lpne.org
>>
>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net
>>
>> david.demarest at firstdata.com
>>
>> Cell: 402-981-6469
>>
>> Home: 402-493-0873
>>
>> Office: 402-222-7207
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* David Demarest [mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:06 AM
>> *To:* 'lnc-business at hq.lp.org' <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>> *Cc:* david.demarest at firstdata.com; 'David Demarest' <
>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
>> *Subject:* RE: [Lnc-business] Amended Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution -
>> seeking co-sponsors
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Caryn. I am reviewing the stronger version as we speak and am
>> leaning toward supporting the stronger version. I have not heard any
>> justification for not going with the stronger version other than some will
>> not vote in favor of it. I am willing to listen any justification.
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> http://www.lpne.org
>>
>> secretary at lpne.org
>>
>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net
>>
>> david.demarest at firstdata.com
>>
>> Cell: 402-981-6469
>>
>> Home: 402-493-0873
>>
>> Office: 402-222-7207
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 6:51 AM
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Amended Gun Rights/Watch List Resolution -
>> seeking co-sponsors
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sorry, I hit send too soon.... But my request is that we hold off
>> going to ballot until members who might be tied up - particularly with
>> ballot access can weigh in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sponsor tally thus far:
>>
>>
>>
>> My original resolution: Harlos, Hays, Katz, Goldstein, Vohra
>>
>> Starchild's amended resolution: Starchild, Harlos, Vohra
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> As I said before, I do support Starchild's language and if there were
>> support for that motion, I would support the changes and will solicit
>> the CO Chair's thoughts since I submitted the original resolution at their
>> request.
>>
>>
>>
>> I heard from another LNC member who may wish to weigh in but was tied up
>> with ballot access issues and I ask that we wait until this member can
>> weigh in.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2016, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all - I'm happy to cosponsor or vote for either motion.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tim, I did, and had the requisite support.  For some reason your
>> message keep ending up in spam :(
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sam, Joshua, and Daniel, what are your issues with the changes I
>> proposed? All of you have expressed a preference for the original language,
>> but no one has said anything about why.
>>
>>
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>
>>                                  ((( starchild )))
>>
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>
>>                              (415) 625-FREE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I too would rather go with the original language.
>>
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:03 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am sticking with the motion sponsored by Harlos, Hayes, Katz, and,
>> Goldstein.
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel Hayes
>>
>> LNC At Large Member
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2016, at 8:41 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I support the language I offered to co-sponsor.
>>
>>
>>
>> Live Free,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>>
>> Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> Member at Large
>>
>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>
>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>
>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>
>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have to confess that the whole email ballot thing is cumbersome.
>>
>>
>>
>> How do the current co-sponsors feel about these changes?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to co-sponsor, but putting on my wordsmith hat, request the
>> motion be reworded with the following typographical and substantive
>> changes, if this is amenable to the sponsor, to read as follows (changes in
>> red):
>>
>> WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human right;
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any
>> level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership,
>> manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition;
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due
>> process and denies the legitimacy of laws against victimless "crimes”;
>> and
>>
>> WHEREAS, the governments in the United States have has steadily
>> encroached upon these rights by illegitimately regulating and
>> restricting access for to firearms and ammunition and may further seek
>> to deprive people who have been convicted of no crime of their inherent
>> right to full abrogate civil rights, and indeed the basic human right, to
>> self-defense by prohibiting access denying their civil and inherent
>> rights to obtain firearms and ammunition even in cases where a person
>> has not been convicted of any crime; and
>>
>> WHEREAS some recent statements by Libertarian candidates appearing in the
>> media have the potential to cause confusion among members of the public
>> regarding how Libertarians view these issues;
>>
>> THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes
>> any law or policy which would deny or restrict any person's access to any
>> firearms or ammunition to any person simply for being placed as a result
>> of their name appearing on any a government watch or no-fly list, and
>> reaffirms its both our party's opposition to any further and
>> oppose existing or proposed regulations on firearms and ammunition as
>> described above and our demand that all such existing regulations be
>> repealed, and calls upon Libertarian candidates to uphold our party's
>> pro-freedom stance.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>
>>                                  ((( starchild )))
>>
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>
>>                                (415) 625-FREE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I will also cosponsor this one.
>>
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In furtherance of the request from CO and now AZ (and likely WA) for the
>> LNC to consider a resolution similar to the CO Gun Rights and Watch Lists
>> Resolution, and Sam Goldstein's commentary on my prior request, I offer a
>> motion to adopt the following resolution:
>>
>> WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human right;
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any
>> level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership,
>> manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition;
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due
>> process and deny the legitimacy of “victimless crimes”;
>>
>> WHEREAS, the government has steadily encroached upon these rights by
>> illegitimately regulating and restricting access for firearms
>> and ammunition and may further seek to deprive people who have been
>> convicted of no crime of their inherent right to full self-defense by
>> denying their civil and inherent rights to obtain firearms and ammunition;
>>
>> BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes any
>> policy which would deny access to any firearms or ammunition to any person
>> simply for being placed on any government watch or no-fly list and
>> reaffirms its call to repeal and oppose any existing or proposed firearm
>> and ammunition regulations.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
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>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
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>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
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>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
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> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
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*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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