[Lnc-business] Committee Transparency revived

Thu Aug 11 23:46:04 EDT 2016

PS:  That means that most of Ken's concerns are problem he should have with
the system we have *right now*.  I am not proposing anything new or
revolutionary.  I am simply wishing to codify that with the transfer of any
authority the duties of that authority, as it exists *right now*, must also
be transferred.

If anyone is truly opposed to that, I am in wonder that no motions or
attempts to change the LNC rules as they are *right now *hasn't been
attempted.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thank you for your input!
>
> I will respond in full this weekend (maybe tomorrow) but the elephant in
> the room that is being ignored is this:  these items are being taken care
> of by the LNC *right now.*  It is transparent *right now.*  I am not
> proposing *further transparency than we have right now.  *Since we have
> that *right now* and it is supported by our membership and was passed by
> the LNC, I would find any attempt to shift this to a committee without the *transparency
> we have right now* as a back door attempt to abrogate current policy and
> would oppose.
>
> That being said, there are some of Ken's points I can agree to or
> concede.  More details in my full response.
>
> I thank you sincerely for your participation.
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I agree with Ken in his analysis of this proposal 100%  We are a
>> political party, not a social club and the members and delegates
>> elect LNC members to do the business of the party.  Committees have
>> enough serious work of the party to accomplish without
>> having to worry about every action or word being help up for criticism.
>>
>> I would consider supporting Ken's proposal if there were an amount of
>> spending that would trigger a review or approval of the chair.  I
>> doubt the chair wants to be involved in micro-managing the expenditures
>> of several committees for stamps and envelopes.  Either a
>> set dollar amount or percentage of that committee's budget would be
>> acceptable.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Member at Large
>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 11:15 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> So, I'm breaking this down, and I still have a few concerns. (I never
>>> intended to de-rail before, sorry about that.)
>>>
>>>
>>> First, there are committees with no power to spend, but are strategic in
>>> nature that would fall under this proposal. Specifically, I can tell you
>>> that the Ballot Access Committee has discussed important strategies on how
>>> to achieve ballot access.
>>>
>>> I have already heard from some members that they believe committee
>>> transparency would expose our strategy, putting us at greater risk of being
>>> on the wrong end of shenanigans. By the wording, these substantial
>>> strategies would be required to be exposed.
>>>
>>> And it's not even just the Ballot Access Committee. Look at Affiliate
>>> Support or Candidate Support; do we really want to let our opposition know
>>> our next few chess moves?  I foresee a day where our opposition raises
>>> money to counter the actions of a candidate to be funded by the LNC before
>>> the candidate even gets the money from the LNC.  Politics is a game of
>>> chess, and telling your opponent your next 3 moves means you're either
>>> really good, or really dumb. And I don't see us winning elections, so that
>>> might narrow such a move into only one of those two categories...
>>>
>>> I'm all about transparency, but only after the information is of no
>>> value to our opponents anymore, and cannot be used by our opponents to
>>> cause harm to the party or its candidates.
>>>
>>>
>>> Second, a committee would be able to set their own rules on executive
>>> session.  What stops a committee from adopting rules that puts them
>>> permanently into executive session whenever they're in a business meeting?
>>> Unless, of course, we create special rules for every committee (and clutter
>>> up the Policy Manual -- sorry, but it's true!)
>>>
>>>
>>> Third, you're talking about creating new mailing lists aliases.  That's
>>> more work for the LNC staff.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fourth, the Ballot Access Committee has had one or two emergency
>>> meetings. There are times when 48 hours notice is not realistic.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fifth, I strongly oppose publishing my phone number on LP.org.  I'm
>>> already annoyed enough that I get phone calls from petition coordinators
>>> from around the US. It is great to have my phone going off in the middle of
>>> the day while I'm trying to be on a conference call, or trying to lead a
>>> meeting (sarcasm). Maybe some folks like having their phones blown up and
>>> being put on spammer phone lists. I do not.
>>>
>>>
>>> Finally, I would suggest not hardcoding the "public reflector" language.
>>> There are better ways to publicize mailing lists that don't involve the
>>> current configuration which could be examined in the future.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, now that I'm through everything that I see wrong with it, here's
>>> what I'd counter-propose:
>>>
>>> *Any committee which has been empowered to expend funds shall notify the
>>> LNC chair, in writing, of the exact wording of any motion passed by the
>>> committee to expend funds, and the LNC chair shall be responsible for
>>> approving those expenditures prior to funds being expended.  All
>>> expenditures shall be recorded in compliance with the law and this policy
>>> manual.  All expenditures shall be reported to the full LNC at the next
>>> in-person LNC meeting.*
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2016-08-11 22:20, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>> As per the request of several committee members, here once again is what
>>> I like to offer as a Policy Manual Amendment:
>>>
>>>
>>> 2) Committee Transparency
>>>
>>> The names and contact information (phone number, email address, or
>>> both)for all committee members shall be posted on the LP.org website.
>>> Unless otherwise specifically excepted on a committee-by-committee basis or
>>> within the committee's own published standing rules for "executive
>>> session," all committee meetings shall be open to any member of the
>>> National Party to observe or listen and all electronic committee
>>> correspondences shall bemade available on a public reflector system on the
>>> LP.org website, the location of which will be published with the committee
>>> contact information. Notices, minutes, agendas, and call-in information of
>>> committee meetings shall be published to said reflector list or otherwise
>>> on the LP.org <http://lp.org/> website, including a record of all
>>> substantive committee actions and how each membervoted. At least 48 hours
>>> public notice will be given for any committee meeting.
>>>
>>>
>>> My intent for this is that I want to empower committees but will oppose
>>> that if it adds a layer of opacity that does not presently exist.  Right
>>> now, we as an LNC are micromanaging things, but at least the members can
>>> see the decisions.
>>>
>>> I would like some real discussion on this and respectfully ask that any
>>> discussions about the policy manual being too long, or needing to be
>>> consolidated, that do not debate or make suggestions as to the merit of
>>> this specific proposal have their own email thread.
>>>
>>> I want to sponsor with Joshua Katz a Candidate Support Committee.  But I
>>> cannot/will not unless we have transparency in place either in the
>>> description of that committee or as a general rule which guides all of our
>>> committees.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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