[Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] Email Ballot 2016-03: Gun Rights Resolution

Sun Aug 14 01:56:41 EDT 2016

Starchild, yes, you did catch that correction, but the brownie point
potential was canceled by the fact that your phrasing of the amendment
simply left out some of the original words from Caryn Ann's resolution
rather than showing them as strike-outs.  I am reviewing word-by-word and
correcting those details now so your amendment will be complete.

:-)

-Alicia

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I'm not collecting brownie points, but that was actually one of the minor
> grammatical fixes that I made in the version of the resolution I proposed
> several days ago (below).
>
> Love & Liberty,
>                                     ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                                  (415) 625-FREE
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Starchild wrote:
>
> Thanks, Caryn and all.
>
> I noticed one minor error in the language of my proposed version of the
> Colorado resolution – I forgot to add the word "and" after the first two
> "Whereas" clauses, as I did for the others. I trust this change can be
> incorporated into the proposal on the table without objection?
>
> The revised wording with changes would read:
>
> WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human right;
>> and
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any
>> level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the
>> ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition; and
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due
>> process and denies the legitimacy of laws against victimless "crimes”;
>> and
>>
>> WHEREAS, governments in the United States have steadily encroached upon
>> these rights by illegitimately regulating and restricting
>> access to firearms and ammunition and may further seek to abrogate civil
>> rights, and indeed the basic human right, to self-defense by prohibiting
>> access to firearms and ammunition even in cases where a person has not
>> been convicted of any crime; and
>> WHEREAS some recent statements by Libertarian candidates appearing in the
>> media have the potential to cause confusion among members of the public
>> regarding how Libertarians view these issues;
>>
>> THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes
>> any law or policy which would deny or restrict any person's access
>> to firearms or ammunition simply as a result of their name
>> appearing on a government watch or no-fly list, reaffirms both our
>> party's opposition to any further regulations on firearms and ammunition as
>> described above and our demand that all such existing regulations be
>> repealed, and calls upon Libertarian candidates to uphold our party's
>> pro-freedom stance.
>>
>
> On Aug 13, 2016, at 10:16 PM, lnc-votes at hq.lp.org wrote:
>
> Nice catch, Whitney.  I've credited you with a brownie point.
>
> And now the bad news...
>
> In a meeting where we're all participating at the same time, we vote on
> amendments before we vote on the main motion.  The amendments may impact
> how we want to vote on the main motion.
>
> In email ballots, there's no real process for handling amendments before
> voting on the main motion.
>
> Once the main motion starts, it can take up to 10 days to complete.
> Amendments are motions just like any other, and the only way to vote on
> them is by email ballot.  If you start an amendment afterwards, that also
> takes up to 10 days to complete.  Unless there is a successful
> get-out-the-vote effort to get everyone to vote on the amendment early, the
> amendment vote will end until after the main motion has ended.  People have
> to vote on the main motion not knowing whether or not the amendment will be
> adopted.  This is backwards order.
>
> In the current situation, processing Starchild's extensive amendment as an
> amend-something-previously-adopted motion isn't so bad because it
> essentially gives the LNC a choice between two different versions.
>
> We could start yet a third email ballot as an amend-something-previously-adopted
> to fix the grammatical error that Ms. Bilyeu has pointed out...
>
> If we were in a face-to-face meeting, this fix would very likely be done
> in a few seconds by asking, "Is there objection to this correction?
> Hearing no objection, the grammatical error will be fixed."
>
> I'm going to suggest that we use the same method here.  Though it's not
> technically correct, I don't really imagine anyone complaining about it or
> arguing that their rights were violated.
>
>
> *IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION, I WILL CORRECT THE DENY/DENIES GRAMMATICAL
> ERROR IN EMAIL BALLOT 2016-03.*
> I'll wait the same 10 days that our bylaws establish as being a reasonable
> amount of time for someone to participate in an email ballot.
>
> If someone objects, then we'll run another email ballot and process it
> formally.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I ask that a correction be made to the following statement...3rd clause
>> of the resolution.
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due
>> process and deny (denies) the legitimacy of “victimless crimes”;
>>
>> The verbs must agree with the subject...which is the Platform of the
>> Libertarian Party (singular), and it affirms and denies...
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Aug 12, 2016 10:41 PM, "Alicia Mattson" <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by August 22, 2016 at 11:59:59pm
>>> Pacific time.*
>>> *Co-Sponsors:*  Harlos, Katz, Hayes, Goldstein, Vohra
>>>
>>> *Motion:*
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human
>>> right;
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any
>>> level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership,
>>> manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition;
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due
>>> process and deny the legitimacy of “victimless crimes”;
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the government has steadily encroached upon these rights by
>>> illegitimately regulating and restricting access for firearms and
>>> ammunition and may further seek to deprive people who have been convicted
>>> of no crime of their inherent right to full self-defense by denying their
>>> civil and inherent rights to obtain firearms and ammunition;
>>>
>>> BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes any
>>> policy which would deny access to any firearms or ammunition to any person
>>> simply for being placed on any government watch or no-fly list and
>>> reaffirms its call to repeal and oppose any existing or proposed firearm
>>> and ammunition regulations.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Alicia
>>>
>>>
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