[Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] Email Ballot 2016-03: Gun Rights Resolution

Sun Aug 14 04:14:22 EDT 2016

I doubt there will be any objection to your correction Alicia, and thank
you.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 12:07 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
wrote:

> On another note... This first motion has to pass or your motion becomes
> moot Starchild. So Ya know...you could vote.😎
>
>
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 14, 2016, at 12:43 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I'm not collecting brownie points, but that was actually one of the minor
> grammatical fixes that I made in the version of the resolution I proposed
> several days ago (below).
>
> Love & Liberty,
>                                     ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                                  (415) 625-FREE
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Starchild wrote:
>
> Thanks, Caryn and all.
>
> I noticed one minor error in the language of my proposed version of the
> Colorado resolution – I forgot to add the word "and" after the first two
> "Whereas" clauses, as I did for the others. I trust this change can be
> incorporated into the proposal on the table without objection?
>
> The revised wording with changes would read:
>
> WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human right;
>> and
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any
>> level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the
>> ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition; and
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due
>> process and denies the legitimacy of laws against victimless "crimes”;
>> and
>>
>> WHEREAS, governments in the United States have steadily encroached upon
>> these rights by illegitimately regulating and restricting
>> access to firearms and ammunition and may further seek to abrogate civil
>> rights, and indeed the basic human right, to self-defense by prohibiting
>> access to firearms and ammunition even in cases where a person has not
>> been convicted of any crime; and
>> WHEREAS some recent statements by Libertarian candidates appearing in the
>> media have the potential to cause confusion among members of the public
>> regarding how Libertarians view these issues;
>>
>> THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes
>> any law or policy which would deny or restrict any person's access
>> to firearms or ammunition simply as a result of their name
>> appearing on a government watch or no-fly list, reaffirms both our
>> party's opposition to any further regulations on firearms and ammunition as
>> described above and our demand that all such existing regulations be
>> repealed, and calls upon Libertarian candidates to uphold our party's
>> pro-freedom stance.
>>
>
> On Aug 13, 2016, at 10:16 PM, lnc-votes at hq.lp.org wrote:
>
> Nice catch, Whitney.  I've credited you with a brownie point.
>
> And now the bad news...
>
> In a meeting where we're all participating at the same time, we vote on
> amendments before we vote on the main motion.  The amendments may impact
> how we want to vote on the main motion.
>
> In email ballots, there's no real process for handling amendments before
> voting on the main motion.
>
> Once the main motion starts, it can take up to 10 days to complete.
> Amendments are motions just like any other, and the only way to vote on
> them is by email ballot.  If you start an amendment afterwards, that also
> takes up to 10 days to complete.  Unless there is a successful
> get-out-the-vote effort to get everyone to vote on the amendment early, the
> amendment vote will end until after the main motion has ended.  People have
> to vote on the main motion not knowing whether or not the amendment will be
> adopted.  This is backwards order.
>
> In the current situation, processing Starchild's extensive amendment as an
> amend-something-previously-adopted motion isn't so bad because it
> essentially gives the LNC a choice between two different versions.
>
> We could start yet a third email ballot as an amend-something-previously-adopted
> to fix the grammatical error that Ms. Bilyeu has pointed out...
>
> If we were in a face-to-face meeting, this fix would very likely be done
> in a few seconds by asking, "Is there objection to this correction?
> Hearing no objection, the grammatical error will be fixed."
>
> I'm going to suggest that we use the same method here.  Though it's not
> technically correct, I don't really imagine anyone complaining about it or
> arguing that their rights were violated.
>
>
> *IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION, I WILL CORRECT THE DENY/DENIES GRAMMATICAL
> ERROR IN EMAIL BALLOT 2016-03.*
> I'll wait the same 10 days that our bylaws establish as being a reasonable
> amount of time for someone to participate in an email ballot.
>
> If someone objects, then we'll run another email ballot and process it
> formally.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I ask that a correction be made to the following statement...3rd clause
>> of the resolution.
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due
>> process and deny (denies) the legitimacy of “victimless crimes”;
>>
>> The verbs must agree with the subject...which is the Platform of the
>> Libertarian Party (singular), and it affirms and denies...
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Aug 12, 2016 10:41 PM, "Alicia Mattson" <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by August 22, 2016 at 11:59:59pm
>>> Pacific time.*
>>> *Co-Sponsors:*  Harlos, Katz, Hayes, Goldstein, Vohra
>>>
>>> *Motion:*
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human
>>> right;
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any
>>> level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership,
>>> manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition;
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due
>>> process and deny the legitimacy of “victimless crimes”;
>>>
>>> WHEREAS, the government has steadily encroached upon these rights by
>>> illegitimately regulating and restricting access for firearms and
>>> ammunition and may further seek to deprive people who have been convicted
>>> of no crime of their inherent right to full self-defense by denying their
>>> civil and inherent rights to obtain firearms and ammunition;
>>>
>>> BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes any
>>> policy which would deny access to any firearms or ammunition to any person
>>> simply for being placed on any government watch or no-fly list and
>>> reaffirms its call to repeal and oppose any existing or proposed firearm
>>> and ammunition regulations.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Alicia
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Lnc-business mailing list
>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>
>>
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "lncvotes" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to lncvotes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
> _______________________________________________
> Lnc-business mailing list
> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "lncvotes" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to lncvotes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
> _______________________________________________
> Lnc-votes mailing list
> Lnc-votes at hq.lp.org
> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-votes_hq.lp.org
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "lncvotes" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to lncvotes+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Lnc-business mailing list
> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Lnc-business mailing list
> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>
>

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/attachments/20160814/b2d4e029/attachment-0002.html>