[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2016-03: Gun Rights Resolution

Mon Aug 15 01:22:12 EDT 2016

Hmm perhaps my mistake.  Let me take a look.  I am thinking of something
else.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 11:14 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Me:  "When the Bylaws and Rules Committee proposed the amendment which is
> now Article 11.7..."
>
> CAH:  "Which failed.  And thus is a presupposition in favour. As I noted
> before we have had resolutions restating numerous things before."
>
> ??? No, it was adopted, which is why it is now in the bylaws...
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
>
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> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My response to Alicia:
>>
>> ==When the Bylaws and Rules Committee proposed the amendment which is
>> now Article 11.7, (The National Committee may adopt public policy
>> resolutions by a ¾ vote with previous notice or by unanimous consent
>> without previous notice.) the rationale for setting the bar so high was to
>> discourage the LNC from spending time congratulating itself over
>> restatements of the platform instead of doing more productive tasks.  We
>> could pass a resolution about each plank in the platform, but that's not a
>> good use of our time.==
>>
>> Which failed.  And thus is a presupposition in favour. As I noted before
>> we have had resolutions restating numerous things before.
>>
>>
>> ==In this particular case, it seems the motivation is to (politely on
>> 2016-03, but less politely on 2016-04) throw stones at our presidential
>> ticket.===
>>
>> Interesting that standing for our Platform is throwing stones.  Is the
>> proposed contract being negotiated by Chair Sarwark asking for a pledge to
>> uphold our Platform throwing stones too?
>>
>> == Our delegates knew at the convention that there were certain subjects
>> where the nominees weren't completely aligned with platform, but they
>> nominated them anyway.  I don't want the LNC to spend the next three months
>> passing a series of resolutions picking fights with our presidential
>> ticket.  It's poor form.==
>>
>> and no one suggested a series, but in fact, our Bylaws (the same Bylaws
>> that delegates agreed to) uphold us to be committed to support as long as
>> the Campaigns are conducted in accordance with the Platform of the Party.
>> And the rest of the Bylaws binds us to the Statement of Principles.
>>
>> However, this resolution came out of Colorado, and I can authoratatively
>> say that Colorado (and this is confirmed by an upcoming interview with the
>> State Chair in The Coloradoan) was speaking not only of the recent
>> statements by Weld but also of Obama and Clinton and Trump.
>>
>> ==Many of our members disagree with at least one aspect of our platform,
>> but we have a tent big enough to still work together for progress in the
>> right direction.  ===
>>
>> And terrorist watch lists are a step in the right direction precisely how?
>>
>> ==If Ron Paul were our nominee, would the LNC attack his pro-life stance
>> from the sidelines during the campaign?===
>>
>> If the public were becoming confused on the LP position?  ABSOLUTELY.
>>
>> ==  Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.==
>>
>> Yes, by not making sure that we support our principles.
>>
>> ==It only takes a handful of "no" votes to stop the trend before it
>> starts.===
>>
>> and enough yeses to perhaps stop the growing tide of member concern that
>> is demanding a disqualification vote.  I already have been put on notice
>> that members of Region 1 are going to petition me to bring one.  I want to
>> avoid that and fulfill our duties to the Bylaws.
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I vote no on this motion.
>>>
>>> My opposition isn't because I disagree with the sentiments of the
>>> resolution.  I agree with Mr. Bittner that our platform already positions
>>> the party on this subject.
>>>
>>> When the Bylaws and Rules Committee proposed the amendment which is now
>>> Article 11.7, (The National Committee may adopt public policy
>>> resolutions by a ¾ vote with previous notice or by unanimous consent
>>> without previous notice.) the rationale for setting the bar so high was to
>>> discourage the LNC from spending time congratulating itself over
>>> restatements of the platform instead of doing more productive tasks.  We
>>> could pass a resolution about each plank in the platform, but that's not a
>>> good use of our time.
>>>
>>> In this particular case, it seems the motivation is to (politely on
>>> 2016-03, but less politely on 2016-04) throw stones at our presidential
>>> ticket.  Our delegates knew at the convention that there were certain
>>> subjects where the nominees weren't completely aligned with platform, but
>>> they nominated them anyway.  I don't want the LNC to spend the next three
>>> months passing a series of resolutions picking fights with our presidential
>>> ticket.  It's poor form.
>>>
>>> Many of our members disagree with at least one aspect of our platform,
>>> but we have a tent big enough to still work together for progress in the
>>> right direction.  If Ron Paul were our nominee, would the LNC attack his
>>> pro-life stance from the sidelines during the campaign?  Sometimes we are
>>> our own worst enemy.
>>>
>>> It only takes a handful of "no" votes to stop the trend before it starts.
>>>
>>> -Alicia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by August 22, 2016 at
>>>> 11:59:59pm Pacific time.*
>>>> *Co-Sponsors:*  Harlos, Katz, Hayes, Goldstein, Vohra
>>>>
>>>> *Motion:*
>>>>
>>>> WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human
>>>> right;
>>>>
>>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at any
>>>> level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership,
>>>> manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition;
>>>>
>>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of due
>>>> process and deny the legitimacy of “victimless crimes”;
>>>>
>>>> WHEREAS, the government has steadily encroached upon these rights by
>>>> illegitimately regulating and restricting access for firearms and
>>>> ammunition and may further seek to deprive people who have been convicted
>>>> of no crime of their inherent right to full self-defense by denying their
>>>> civil and inherent rights to obtain firearms and ammunition;
>>>>
>>>> BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes any
>>>> policy which would deny access to any firearms or ammunition to any person
>>>> simply for being placed on any government watch or no-fly list and
>>>> reaffirms its call to repeal and oppose any existing or proposed firearm
>>>> and ammunition regulations.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Alicia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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