[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2016-03: Gun Rights Resolution

Mon Aug 15 01:32:23 EDT 2016

correction to you though, you did a reverse number, it is 7.11 not 11.7.

And I would like to sharply disagree with another point.  If we are going
to talk about Convention, it was represented to the delegates that Governor
Weld changed his mind on his prior gun policy (and some delegates extracted
an oath from him) and the issue of "terrorist watch lists" was not known as
far as I am aware.   I am fine with the high burden, seems like a wise
anticipatory move.

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Ahhh you are right.  I am thinking of something entirely different, pardon
> me, *and thank you for the correction!*  I thought I read something
> similar in a past convention that did not pass.
>
> My other points remain.  We have had similar resolutions.  Including
> inviting people to join the Party by restating our commitment to
> self-ownership and non-aggression.
>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 11:22 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hmm perhaps my mistake.  Let me take a look.  I am thinking of something
>> else.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 11:14 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Me:  "When the Bylaws and Rules Committee proposed the amendment which
>>> is now Article 11.7..."
>>>
>>> CAH:  "Which failed.  And thus is a presupposition in favour. As I
>>> noted before we have had resolutions restating numerous things before."
>>>
>>> ??? No, it was adopted, which is why it is now in the bylaws...
>>>
>>> -Alicia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My response to Alicia:
>>>>
>>>> ==When the Bylaws and Rules Committee proposed the amendment which is
>>>> now Article 11.7, (The National Committee may adopt public policy
>>>> resolutions by a ¾ vote with previous notice or by unanimous consent
>>>> without previous notice.) the rationale for setting the bar so high was to
>>>> discourage the LNC from spending time congratulating itself over
>>>> restatements of the platform instead of doing more productive tasks.  We
>>>> could pass a resolution about each plank in the platform, but that's not a
>>>> good use of our time.==
>>>>
>>>> Which failed.  And thus is a presupposition in favour. As I noted
>>>> before we have had resolutions restating numerous things before.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ==In this particular case, it seems the motivation is to (politely on
>>>> 2016-03, but less politely on 2016-04) throw stones at our presidential
>>>> ticket.===
>>>>
>>>> Interesting that standing for our Platform is throwing stones.  Is the
>>>> proposed contract being negotiated by Chair Sarwark asking for a pledge to
>>>> uphold our Platform throwing stones too?
>>>>
>>>> == Our delegates knew at the convention that there were certain
>>>> subjects where the nominees weren't completely aligned with platform, but
>>>> they nominated them anyway.  I don't want the LNC to spend the next three
>>>> months passing a series of resolutions picking fights with our presidential
>>>> ticket.  It's poor form.==
>>>>
>>>> and no one suggested a series, but in fact, our Bylaws (the same Bylaws
>>>> that delegates agreed to) uphold us to be committed to support as long as
>>>> the Campaigns are conducted in accordance with the Platform of the Party.
>>>> And the rest of the Bylaws binds us to the Statement of Principles.
>>>>
>>>> However, this resolution came out of Colorado, and I can
>>>> authoratatively say that Colorado (and this is confirmed by an upcoming
>>>> interview with the State Chair in The Coloradoan) was speaking not only of
>>>> the recent statements by Weld but also of Obama and Clinton and Trump.
>>>>
>>>> ==Many of our members disagree with at least one aspect of our
>>>> platform, but we have a tent big enough to still work together for progress
>>>> in the right direction.  ===
>>>>
>>>> And terrorist watch lists are a step in the right direction precisely
>>>> how?
>>>>
>>>> ==If Ron Paul were our nominee, would the LNC attack his pro-life
>>>> stance from the sidelines during the campaign?===
>>>>
>>>> If the public were becoming confused on the LP position?  ABSOLUTELY.
>>>>
>>>> ==  Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.==
>>>>
>>>> Yes, by not making sure that we support our principles.
>>>>
>>>> ==It only takes a handful of "no" votes to stop the trend before it
>>>> starts.===
>>>>
>>>> and enough yeses to perhaps stop the growing tide of member concern
>>>> that is demanding a disqualification vote.  I already have been put on
>>>> notice that members of Region 1 are going to petition me to bring one.  I
>>>> want to avoid that and fulfill our duties to the Bylaws.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I vote no on this motion.
>>>>>
>>>>> My opposition isn't because I disagree with the sentiments of the
>>>>> resolution.  I agree with Mr. Bittner that our platform already positions
>>>>> the party on this subject.
>>>>>
>>>>> When the Bylaws and Rules Committee proposed the amendment which is
>>>>> now Article 11.7, (The National Committee may adopt public policy
>>>>> resolutions by a ¾ vote with previous notice or by unanimous consent
>>>>> without previous notice.) the rationale for setting the bar so high was to
>>>>> discourage the LNC from spending time congratulating itself over
>>>>> restatements of the platform instead of doing more productive tasks.  We
>>>>> could pass a resolution about each plank in the platform, but that's not a
>>>>> good use of our time.
>>>>>
>>>>> In this particular case, it seems the motivation is to (politely on
>>>>> 2016-03, but less politely on 2016-04) throw stones at our presidential
>>>>> ticket.  Our delegates knew at the convention that there were certain
>>>>> subjects where the nominees weren't completely aligned with platform, but
>>>>> they nominated them anyway.  I don't want the LNC to spend the next three
>>>>> months passing a series of resolutions picking fights with our presidential
>>>>> ticket.  It's poor form.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many of our members disagree with at least one aspect of our platform,
>>>>> but we have a tent big enough to still work together for progress in the
>>>>> right direction.  If Ron Paul were our nominee, would the LNC attack his
>>>>> pro-life stance from the sidelines during the campaign?  Sometimes we are
>>>>> our own worst enemy.
>>>>>
>>>>> It only takes a handful of "no" votes to stop the trend before it
>>>>> starts.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by August 22, 2016 at
>>>>>> 11:59:59pm Pacific time.*
>>>>>> *Co-Sponsors:*  Harlos, Katz, Hayes, Goldstein, Vohra
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Motion:*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WHEREAS, Libertarians affirm that self-defense is an inherent human
>>>>>> right;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party opposes all laws at
>>>>>> any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the
>>>>>> ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Platform of the Libertarian Party affirms the right of
>>>>>> due process and deny the legitimacy of “victimless crimes”;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WHEREAS, the government has steadily encroached upon these rights by
>>>>>> illegitimately regulating and restricting access for firearms and
>>>>>> ammunition and may further seek to deprive people who have been convicted
>>>>>> of no crime of their inherent right to full self-defense by denying their
>>>>>> civil and inherent rights to obtain firearms and ammunition;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee opposes any
>>>>>> policy which would deny access to any firearms or ammunition to any person
>>>>>> simply for being placed on any government watch or no-fly list and
>>>>>> reaffirms its call to repeal and oppose any existing or proposed firearm
>>>>>> and ammunition regulations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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