[Lnc-business] multiple-recipient messages improperly flagged as spam

[Alicia Mattson]

Starchild,

I get a lot of emails from people whose accounts have been hijacked, but I
do not keep statistics on how many of them have been LNC members at the
time.

Even if the spam protections on the list could be turned off for your
personal convenience, I wouldn't favor it because one such message making
it through could cause substantial damage to a fellow-LNC member's computer
if they (in a moment of mindless habit) clicked on a link which felt safe
because it came from a colleague through our email list.

You wish to use this list for something it wasn't designed to do.  You have
the ability to avoid the problem with slight changes to the way you send
emails.  If it is truly critical that everyone, everywhere knows which
recipients you are sending to, then send to your big list, tell them you
will separately send it to the LNC, and then forward that message to us as
the only recipient.  It gets through the spam filter, relays all the info
you seem to wish to relay, and doesn't create extra work for a list admin.

-Alicia



On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:27 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> That's a valid point to consider, Alicia – yet how often does it happen?
> During your time as LP secretary, have any LNC members' email accounts been
> hacked with spammers attempting to use their addresses to send spam to the
> list? If so, how many such incidents have there been?
>
> I would weigh what I assume is the rarity of that occurrence against the
> certainty that numerous messages have been held up just from me, just this
> term, due to the low threshold for number of recipients a message can have
> without getting flagged, which seems to be relatively unique to the LNC
> list, or at least that it kicks in at a lower level than any other similar
> feature of which I'm aware. I've occasionally gotten similar messages from
> my Internet Service Provider when trying to do an email blast to many
> dozens of recipients, but not from any other email list that I recall
> offhand.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>                                    ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                                 (415) 625-FREE
>
>
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Alicia Mattson wrote:
>
> Starchild,
>
> I'm not aware of a way to disable that anti-spam function.  I disagree
> with your position that such spam protections are unnecessary due to the
> subscriber-only model.  People's email accounts get hacked, and spam gets
> sent out under their name.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>>         Yes, I've noticed the delay. But sending separate messages would
>> mean people not on the LNC wouldn't see that the LNC has been copied, and
>> people on the LNC wouldn't see that other recipients have been copied. Is
>> there a way to adjust the list settings so that messages with lots of
>> recipients don't get held up as spam? Since only folks on the LNC and staff
>> can post to this list anyway, features meant to protect against spam are
>> unnecessary here.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>>                                    ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>                                 (415) 625-FREE
>>
>>
>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:00 PM, Alicia Mattson wrote:
>>
>> > Starchild,
>> >
>> > When you send the LNC-Business list an email with a large number of
>> other recipients on the cc: list, the list suspects it is spam, and so it
>> holds the message for moderator approval even though it is from an
>> otherwise approved sender.  That creates work for an admin to log in to the
>> admin panel and push the message through.
>> >
>> > Off the top of my head I don't know how many can be on the cc: list
>> before it flags it.  I know you can copy a couple of other addresses, but
>> 11 other addresses is over the limit.
>> >
>> > You can get your messages through faster and without creating busy work
>> for an admin if you will just send them differently.  If you will send the
>> messages to the LNC-Business list separately from the other cc: list, it
>> will not get flagged and held.
>> >
>> > -Alicia
>> >
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