[Lnc-business] Contract issues

Tue Sep 20 14:19:18 EDT 2016

Nope you are just not in on the secret.

Sam

Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
Member at Large
8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
Indianapolis IN 46260
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On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am horridly out of touch.  I hear they aren't even using the term "dank"
> any longer,  I can't keep up.
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org> wrote:
>
>> FYI: All the cool kids are using poisoned Skittles as the correct
>> analogy these days.
>>
>> -Nick
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > And to add saying "withe exception of that one clause" is precisely the
>> > issue.  A meal may be delicious with the exception of the few grains of
>> > arsenic.  I will not focus on the savour of the steak but rather the
>> sting
>> > of the poison.
>> >
>> > --
>> > In Liberty,
>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona,
>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>> Caryn.Ann.
>> > Harlos at LP.org
>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Protecting the interests of the party and its members and us do not
>> >> include eternal secrecy.  While some might have trouble seeing it, no,
>> in a
>> >> contract negotiation, something as huge as that, should not be missed.
>> >> Whether or not it is "understandable" is not the question.  It is
>> >> extraordinarily prejudical and and negligent.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Joshua Katz <
>> planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> In response to the implied question:  Having read the contract, I
>> find it
>> >>> to be a good agreement, and one that delivers excellent value to the
>> Party,
>> >>> with the exception of the clause under discussion.  I personally have
>> >>> trouble seeing the implications of that clause, even after having it
>> >>> explained to me, and so it makes perfect sense to me that those
>> implications
>> >>> can be missed during an extended negotiation where the primary focus
>> was on
>> >>> protecting the interests of the party and obtaining value for the
>> party.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Joshua A. Katz
>> >>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dear All,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I want to clear something up.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The LNC authorized me to negotiate a contract and joint fundraising
>> >>>> agreement between the party and the Gary Johnson campaign.  I have,
>> >>>> for the past three and a half months, been working with our counsel,
>> >>>> Oliver Hall, to negotiate a contract that would be in the best
>> >>>> interest of the Libertarian Party.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> During those months, terms have changed during the course of the
>> >>>> negotiations in both agreements.  At some point I asked Mr. Hall
>> about
>> >>>> the advisability of making the provisions of the contract public both
>> >>>> before and after the election.  His advice was that it would not be
>> >>>> advisable at any point, but definitely would not be prior to the
>> >>>> election.  Based on that discussion, my preference would be to keep
>> it
>> >>>> confidential until inauguration day.  That was what I communicated to
>> >>>> the list, but that communication was in error.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The actual contract requires confidentiality of the terms.  Mr.
>> >>>> Goldstein pointed out that phrase to me and I sent a correction to
>> the
>> >>>> email list as soon as I realized that I had misspoke. I understand
>> >>>> that this misspeaking has created a lack of confidence and a motion
>> to
>> >>>> rescind the entire authority to execute the contract.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would like it to be clear that making the contract public was not,
>> >>>> to my knowledge, one of the stated objectives at the LNC meeting
>> >>>> following the convention for our contract with the campaign.  A very
>> >>>> small and vocal minority making it into an absolute requirement at
>> >>>> this late stage of the negotiations is shifting the goalposts in the
>> >>>> final seconds of the game (after, I'm not sure if signatures are
>> >>>> already on the campaign's copies).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think the contract negotiated is a good one.  Others who have seen
>> >>>> it are probably within their bounds to say whether they consider it a
>> >>>> good or bad agreement, without discussing specific terms with LNC
>> >>>> members who will not agree to keep it confidential.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The effect of this motion would be to cancel everything negotiated
>> >>>> because I misspoke and/or people value transparency over any other
>> >>>> goal.  If that's what you want to do, you should co-sponsor it and
>> >>>> vote for it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yours in liberty,
>> >>>> Nick
>> >>>>
>> >>>> P.S. Recognizing that eventual transparency is important to the
>> >>>> aforementioned small and vocal minority, Oliver and I are actually in
>> >>>> negotiations with the campaign for some kind of addendum that would
>> >>>> modify the confidentiality terms to address those concerns.
>> >>>>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> In Liberty,
>> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
>> >> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona,
>> >> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>> Caryn.Ann.
>> >> Harlos at LP.org
>> >> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> >> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > In Liberty,
>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona,
>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>> Caryn.Ann.
>> > Harlos at LP.org
>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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