[Lnc-business] Contract issues

Wed Sep 21 15:56:16 EDT 2016

I would favor making it a requirement, at least in ways, but that is not a
question for the LNC.

Joshua A. Katz
Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Sean O'Toole <sean at kingfieldcapital.com>
wrote:

> Arvin,
>
> I too support contract signing prior to the nomination. I'm curious why
> you would not support making the signing of such a contract a requirement
> in order to procure our nomination. What incentive would a candidate have
> to sign pre-nomination?
>
> Sean
> ------------------------------
>
> Sean O'Toole
> sean at kingfieldcapital.com
> (816) 739-2737
>
> On 21 Sep 2016, at 14:32, Arvin Vohra wrote:
>
> LNC - having heard the feedback from Messrs. Sarwark, Katz, and Goldstein
> that the contract provides value to both the campaign and the Libertarian
> Party, I am satisfied. There are plenty of things we keep secret (e.g.
> donor lists) for strategic reasons, and it seems that we have a strategic
> reason to do so here (it gets us a contract). I would obviously prefer
> transparency here, but if that is a dealbreaker, then I recommend we move
> forward and focus on downsizing government.
>
> However, I will be either making or cosponsoring a motion to allow future
> presidential campaigns to sign preliminary contracts with the LNC before
> nomination. I will not support making this a strict requirement, but I do
> believe that this process should be make easier in the future if possible.
>
> -Arvin
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Nope you are just not in on the secret.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Member at Large
>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am horridly out of touch.  I hear they aren't even using the term
>>> "dank" any longer,  I can't keep up.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> FYI: All the cool kids are using poisoned Skittles as the correct
>>>> analogy these days.
>>>>
>>>> -Nick
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > And to add saying "withe exception of that one clause" is precisely
>>>> the
>>>> > issue.  A meal may be delicious with the exception of the few grains
>>>> of
>>>> > arsenic.  I will not focus on the savour of the steak but rather the
>>>> sting
>>>> > of the poison.
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona,
>>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>> > Harlos at LP.org
>>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> > <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Protecting the interests of the party and its members and us do not
>>>> >> include eternal secrecy.  While some might have trouble seeing it,
>>>> no, in a
>>>> >> contract negotiation, something as huge as that, should not be
>>>> missed.
>>>> >> Whether or not it is "understandable" is not the question.  It is
>>>> >> extraordinarily prejudical and and negligent.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Joshua Katz <
>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> In response to the implied question:  Having read the contract, I
>>>> find it
>>>> >>> to be a good agreement, and one that delivers excellent value to
>>>> the Party,
>>>> >>> with the exception of the clause under discussion.  I personally
>>>> have
>>>> >>> trouble seeing the implications of that clause, even after having it
>>>> >>> explained to me, and so it makes perfect sense to me that those
>>>> implications
>>>> >>> can be missed during an extended negotiation where the primary
>>>> focus was on
>>>> >>> protecting the interests of the party and obtaining value for the
>>>> party.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>> >>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Dear All,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I want to clear something up.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> The LNC authorized me to negotiate a contract and joint fundraising
>>>> >>>> agreement between the party and the Gary Johnson campaign.  I have,
>>>> >>>> for the past three and a half months, been working with our
>>>> counsel,
>>>> >>>> Oliver Hall, to negotiate a contract that would be in the best
>>>> >>>> interest of the Libertarian Party.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> During those months, terms have changed during the course of the
>>>> >>>> negotiations in both agreements.  At some point I asked Mr. Hall
>>>> about
>>>> >>>> the advisability of making the provisions of the contract public
>>>> both
>>>> >>>> before and after the election.  His advice was that it would not be
>>>> >>>> advisable at any point, but definitely would not be prior to the
>>>> >>>> election.  Based on that discussion, my preference would be to
>>>> keep it
>>>> >>>> confidential until inauguration day.  That was what I communicated
>>>> to
>>>> >>>> the list, but that communication was in error.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> The actual contract requires confidentiality of the terms.  Mr.
>>>> >>>> Goldstein pointed out that phrase to me and I sent a correction to
>>>> the
>>>> >>>> email list as soon as I realized that I had misspoke. I understand
>>>> >>>> that this misspeaking has created a lack of confidence and a
>>>> motion to
>>>> >>>> rescind the entire authority to execute the contract.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I would like it to be clear that making the contract public was
>>>> not,
>>>> >>>> to my knowledge, one of the stated objectives at the LNC meeting
>>>> >>>> following the convention for our contract with the campaign.  A
>>>> very
>>>> >>>> small and vocal minority making it into an absolute requirement at
>>>> >>>> this late stage of the negotiations is shifting the goalposts in
>>>> the
>>>> >>>> final seconds of the game (after, I'm not sure if signatures are
>>>> >>>> already on the campaign's copies).
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I think the contract negotiated is a good one.  Others who have
>>>> seen
>>>> >>>> it are probably within their bounds to say whether they consider
>>>> it a
>>>> >>>> good or bad agreement, without discussing specific terms with LNC
>>>> >>>> members who will not agree to keep it confidential.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> The effect of this motion would be to cancel everything negotiated
>>>> >>>> because I misspoke and/or people value transparency over any other
>>>> >>>> goal.  If that's what you want to do, you should co-sponsor it and
>>>> >>>> vote for it.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Yours in liberty,
>>>> >>>> Nick
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> P.S. Recognizing that eventual transparency is important to the
>>>> >>>> aforementioned small and vocal minority, Oliver and I are actually
>>>> in
>>>> >>>> negotiations with the campaign for some kind of addendum that would
>>>> >>>> modify the confidentiality terms to address those concerns.
>>>> >>>>
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>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> In Liberty,
>>>> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> >> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona,
>>>> >> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>> >> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> >> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> >> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona,
>>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>> > Harlos at LP.org
>>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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