[Lnc-business] Contract issues

Fri Sep 23 01:22:33 EDT 2016

A contract further could require a candidate to comply with all FEC
regulations - excluding conscientious objectors such as Darryl Perry.  It
could easily be a subtle way for a future LNC to wrongly influence or
exclude.

On Thursday, September 22, 2016, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Sean -
>
> Contracts set forth by the LNC could easily be designed to be strongly
> biased in favor of either big name candidates or no name candidates. Thus,
> I would not support allowing the LNC to create a contract and require
> candidates to sign.
>
> Simple example: A contract could require candidates to share their entire
> donor lists. This would be a bias against big name candidates. A contract
> could penalize candidates who did not gather sufficient new leads, creating
> a bias against no name candidates.
>
> Making it optional would give members the option of supporting a contract
> or non-contract signing candidate.
>
> -Arvin
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Sean O'Toole <sean at kingfieldcapital.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sean at kingfieldcapital.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Arvin,
>>
>> I too support contract signing prior to the nomination. I'm curious why
>> you would not support making the signing of such a contract a requirement
>> in order to procure our nomination. What incentive would a candidate have
>> to sign pre-nomination?
>>
>> Sean
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Sean O'Toole
>> sean at kingfieldcapital.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sean at kingfieldcapital.com');>
>> (816) 739-2737
>>
>> On 21 Sep 2016, at 14:32, Arvin Vohra wrote:
>>
>> LNC - having heard the feedback from Messrs. Sarwark, Katz, and Goldstein
>> that the contract provides value to both the campaign and the Libertarian
>> Party, I am satisfied. There are plenty of things we keep secret (e.g.
>> donor lists) for strategic reasons, and it seems that we have a strategic
>> reason to do so here (it gets us a contract). I would obviously prefer
>> transparency here, but if that is a dealbreaker, then I recommend we move
>> forward and focus on downsizing government.
>>
>> However, I will be either making or cosponsoring a motion to allow future
>> presidential campaigns to sign preliminary contracts with the LNC before
>> nomination. I will not support making this a strict requirement, but I do
>> believe that this process should be make easier in the future if possible.
>>
>> -Arvin
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nope you are just not in on the secret.
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> Member at Large
>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am horridly out of touch.  I hear they aren't even using the term
>>>> "dank" any longer,  I can't keep up.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chair at lp.org');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> FYI: All the cool kids are using poisoned Skittles as the correct
>>>>> analogy these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Nick
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>> > And to add saying "withe exception of that one clause" is precisely
>>>>> the
>>>>> > issue.  A meal may be delicious with the exception of the few grains
>>>>> of
>>>>> > arsenic.  I will not focus on the savour of the steak but rather the
>>>>> sting
>>>>> > of the poison.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona,
>>>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> > Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> > <carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Protecting the interests of the party and its members and us do not
>>>>> >> include eternal secrecy.  While some might have trouble seeing it,
>>>>> no, in a
>>>>> >> contract negotiation, something as huge as that, should not be
>>>>> missed.
>>>>> >> Whether or not it is "understandable" is not the question.  It is
>>>>> >> extraordinarily prejudical and and negligent.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Joshua Katz <
>>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','planning4liberty at gmail.com');>>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> In response to the implied question:  Having read the contract, I
>>>>> find it
>>>>> >>> to be a good agreement, and one that delivers excellent value to
>>>>> the Party,
>>>>> >>> with the exception of the clause under discussion.  I personally
>>>>> have
>>>>> >>> trouble seeing the implications of that clause, even after having
>>>>> it
>>>>> >>> explained to me, and so it makes perfect sense to me that those
>>>>> implications
>>>>> >>> can be missed during an extended negotiation where the primary
>>>>> focus was on
>>>>> >>> protecting the interests of the party and obtaining value for the
>>>>> party.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>> >>> Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','chair at lp.org');>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Dear All,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I want to clear something up.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> The LNC authorized me to negotiate a contract and joint
>>>>> fundraising
>>>>> >>>> agreement between the party and the Gary Johnson campaign.  I
>>>>> have,
>>>>> >>>> for the past three and a half months, been working with our
>>>>> counsel,
>>>>> >>>> Oliver Hall, to negotiate a contract that would be in the best
>>>>> >>>> interest of the Libertarian Party.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> During those months, terms have changed during the course of the
>>>>> >>>> negotiations in both agreements.  At some point I asked Mr. Hall
>>>>> about
>>>>> >>>> the advisability of making the provisions of the contract public
>>>>> both
>>>>> >>>> before and after the election.  His advice was that it would not
>>>>> be
>>>>> >>>> advisable at any point, but definitely would not be prior to the
>>>>> >>>> election.  Based on that discussion, my preference would be to
>>>>> keep it
>>>>> >>>> confidential until inauguration day.  That was what I
>>>>> communicated to
>>>>> >>>> the list, but that communication was in error.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> The actual contract requires confidentiality of the terms.  Mr.
>>>>> >>>> Goldstein pointed out that phrase to me and I sent a correction
>>>>> to the
>>>>> >>>> email list as soon as I realized that I had misspoke. I understand
>>>>> >>>> that this misspeaking has created a lack of confidence and a
>>>>> motion to
>>>>> >>>> rescind the entire authority to execute the contract.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I would like it to be clear that making the contract public was
>>>>> not,
>>>>> >>>> to my knowledge, one of the stated objectives at the LNC meeting
>>>>> >>>> following the convention for our contract with the campaign.  A
>>>>> very
>>>>> >>>> small and vocal minority making it into an absolute requirement at
>>>>> >>>> this late stage of the negotiations is shifting the goalposts in
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>>> final seconds of the game (after, I'm not sure if signatures are
>>>>> >>>> already on the campaign's copies).
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I think the contract negotiated is a good one.  Others who have
>>>>> seen
>>>>> >>>> it are probably within their bounds to say whether they consider
>>>>> it a
>>>>> >>>> good or bad agreement, without discussing specific terms with LNC
>>>>> >>>> members who will not agree to keep it confidential.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> The effect of this motion would be to cancel everything negotiated
>>>>> >>>> because I misspoke and/or people value transparency over any other
>>>>> >>>> goal.  If that's what you want to do, you should co-sponsor it and
>>>>> >>>> vote for it.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Yours in liberty,
>>>>> >>>> Nick
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> P.S. Recognizing that eventual transparency is important to the
>>>>> >>>> aforementioned small and vocal minority, Oliver and I are
>>>>> actually in
>>>>> >>>> negotiations with the campaign for some kind of addendum that
>>>>> would
>>>>> >>>> modify the confidentiality terms to address those concerns.
>>>>> >>>>
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>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --
>>>>> >> In Liberty,
>>>>> >> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> >> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona,
>>>>> >> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> >> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> >> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> >> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > In Liberty,
>>>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona,
>>>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> > Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Arvin Vohra
>>
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>
>
> --
> Arvin Vohra
>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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