[Lnc-business] Motion: Assemblyman Moore - request for co-sponsors

Caryn Ann Harlos carynannharlos at gmail.com
Fri Oct 21 23:22:22 EDT 2016


And I would distinguish greatly a state candidate from our national
candidate which was ratified and consented to by delegates at a national
convention.  A state candidate is ratified by those delegates (in most
states and in normal circumstances which do not involve a mid-term Party
affiliation switch).  In such a case I give great deference to the
affiliate that welcomed and championed. And once again, Nevada has made
their absolute displeasure and sense of betrayal clear.

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I find what if's and mining the subjunctives to be unhelpful personally.
> I do not know what kind of transgression would warrant in a "what if"
> situation.  I would say yes, we should always be willing.  Our duty is not
> to any elected person but to the Party itself and the principles for which
> we stand.  This is a clear egregious violation which is somewhat like what
> some say about "pornography" - I know it when I see it.  I would ask if
> someone commits to be a Libertarian and acts completely against Libertarian
> principles and received money from the National Committee of said Party is
> that committing fraud against the body?   If the constituents feel
> defrauded (particularly since they elected a Republican, not a Libertarian)
> then it is up to them to deal with, not us.  Our standing and duty is to
> the LP and the members.
>
> This isn't a minor issue.  This was major with a capital M.  And Nevada
> has made clear how they feel about it.
>
> The minute was have the "uncensurable" we are doomed.  We are the "Party
> of Principle" and we need to have the backbone to at some point say enough
> is enough, particularly when we spent $10K of our members' money.
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 9:12 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm glad that the dilemma is understood. And you did bring up the other
>> question I had, after further consideration; would we, as a body, be
>> willing to censure an elected Libertarian President Johnson?  If this is
>> the case, how bad would the transgression need to be before this body
>> rebukes its own first elected President?
>>
>> We really need to help give our candidates and elected officials, to the
>> limited extent that they exist, be successful champions for liberty. And by
>> "we", I mean every person who says they're a libertarian.  If we can't go
>> out and help convince other people's minds, then we're failing as activists
>> and supporters.  IMO, the root problem here is that 60% number.  Why do 60%
>> of the people in Moore's district support this?
>>
>> As I further discussed this with a few others this afternoon and evening,
>> I had another thought.  If someone is elected to represent the people of
>> his district and fails to do so, would that person be engaging in fraud
>> against the constituents?
>>
>> Every candidate and elected official has negatives. I personally prefer
>> to focus on a candidate's positives, rather than dwelling on their
>> negatives. If the negatives exceed the positives, then I start looking for
>> an alternate course of action.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2016-10-21 16:05, Demarest, David P. wrote:
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your honest and thoughtful devil's advocate response
>> regarding the proposed censure of John Moore. We can, however, view
>> Assemblyman Moore's two egregious votes as an golden opportunity for LNC
>> members to think outside the box to examine root causes and design short
>> and long term solutions to the difficult dilemma faced by all Libertarian
>> politicians. The dilemma is how to reconcile the dictates of one's
>> Libertarian conscience with the realities of our current political
>> environment that is rife with the cronyism necessary to get elected or
>> reelected. The choice is between voting your conscience at the risk of not
>> being reelected or violating your conscience to get reelected and live to
>> fight another day in office.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would submit that Moore's violation of his conscience to get reelected
>> makes him part of the problem of spiraling cronyism that is inexorably
>> destroying our way of life and accelerating our economy and society down
>> the path of destruction that history demonstrates is the inevitable fate of
>> all compulsory territorial governments. Most of us support Gary Johnson in
>> spite of specific misgivings because it is obvious that Gary is so much
>> better than the other choices and would undoubtedly make things far better
>> than the other candidates. If Johnson is elected, however, we know that
>> despite his honestly about his platform, many of his decisions will give us
>> heartburn. Our short-term act of censuring Moore will send a clear and
>> unambiguous message that statist actions by Libertarian officials to save
>> political seats are unacceptable violations of conscience that will not be
>> tolerated. The proposed censure of Moore will serve as an educational
>> message for all present and future Libertarian officials including those
>> who switch from other parties.
>>
>>
>>
>> Long-term solutions require that we understand that cronyism does not
>> fare well in the competitive context of the free-market. By contrast,
>> cronyism is aggressively fostered in our current compulsory authoritarian
>> majority rule system. We as Libertarians face an uphill battle if we choose
>> to rely solely on a top-down legislative authoritarian approach to rescue
>> us from the tsunami of cronyism that will swamp our ship of state if we do
>> not reverse course promptly and with a sense of urgency.
>>
>>
>>
>> The crushing curse of cronyism will not be reversed until we change the
>> context of government to minimize instead of fostering cronyism. To get
>> straight to the point, that change in context to discourage cronyism will
>> not occur until we achieve competitive governance and competitive social
>> services. I would further submit that we must supplement our top-down
>> legislative strategy with a robust, bottom-up entrepreneurial peaceful
>> freedom revolution fueled by peer-to-peer technology. Then and only then
>> will we create the political climate necessary to elect Libertarian
>> officials to all levels of government and establish the environment of
>> competitive governance and social services that is an absolute prerequisite
>> if we seriously intend to minimize cronyism and save our way of life for
>> future generations.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> *The War on Majority Rule Authoritarian Cronyism Begins Now*
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (IA, IL, MN, MO,
>> ND, NE, WI)
>>
>> Secretary Pro Tem, LNC Affiliate Support Committee
>>
>> Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee
>>
>> Nebraska State Coordinator, LP Radical Caucus
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Caryn Ann Harlos [mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 12:50 PM
>> *To:* ken.moellman at lpky.org; lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> *Cc:* William Redpath; Demarest, David P.
>> *Subject:* Re: Motion: Assemblyman Moore - request for co-sponsors
>>
>>
>>
>> We have enough cosponsors for a ballot.  I will argue for it in the
>> ballot.
>>
>>
>>
>> It was an LPNV who last broached this action
>>
>> with me - I believe it has the support of the aggrieved affiliate - and
>> members- who's money we spent.
>>
>>
>>
>> The second vote was expressly against something the LPNV was opposed to
>> actively for years.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a betrayal of the LPNV.  And I certainly did not vote (and I
>> argued zealously) to support a candidate - out of many worthy candidates -
>> who would take such crony capitalist anti/libertarian power.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 21, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Please allow me to take the Devil's Advocate position, since I probably
>> won't have a vote that counts anyway.  I realize that this position is
>> unlikely to be popular.
>>
>>
>>
>> Politics and philosophy can be a tough balancing act.  Certainly, there
>> are instances of this problem with our presidential ticket (bake the cake,
>> for example) and probably every other campaign out there (vaccination
>> debate, etc.).  Elected officials, and indeed individuals, are faced with
>> tough decisions between philosophy and reality all the time.  Perhaps the
>> most famous was Jefferson's opposition to slavery while also owning slaves.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Assemblyman Moore reported that a poll of the constituents of his
>> district showed that about 60% of the constituents supported the deal,
>> including the associated taxes. Certainly, there could and should have been
>> a coordinated effort by the opposition to stop this deal by educating the
>> public. Based on the level of support reported within Assemblyman Moore's
>> district, those efforts were obviously unsuccessful.
>>
>>
>>
>> Even taking what was said above into account, I personally
>> think Assemblyman Moore's greatest failing in this situation came was in
>> how he supported the deal.  A statement about "While I personally do not
>> support this deal, I voted in favor because my constituents wanted me to do
>> so" could have been a very good moment.  It would have provided an
>> opportunity to educate the public about the negatives of the deal and
>> hopefully prevent this type of situation from happening the next time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> So I ask these questions:  Do you think that what John Moore did was
>> driven by philosophy, or by politics?  Do you believe that John Moore
>> wanted higher taxes?  As an elected representative, should he represent the
>> people of his district, or ignore those people in favor of his own
>> philosophy?  Is it more wise to go against the constituency, especially
>> this close to election day, or is it more wise to fight another day when
>> your "army" is more organized and can help you win the day?
>>
>>
>>
>> Just something to think about.  I'm not pleased at the idea of yet
>> another billionaire getting a taxpayer-funded stadium and I don't believe
>> they create enough economic activity to offset the costs.  At least the
>> team name is appropriate.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2016-10-21 09:27, William Redpath wrote:
>>
>> I will also co-sponsor, as I was opposed to the $10,000 motion at the LNC
>> meeting in July 2016.  Bill Redpath
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Thu, 10/20/16, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>
>>  Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Motion: Assemblyman Moore - request for
>>    co-sponsors
>>  To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>  Cc: david.demarest at firstdata.com
>>  Date: Thursday, October 20, 2016, 9:20 PM
>>
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>>  #yiv9175739729 Caryn, I will co-sponsor your
>>  motion to censure John Moore and request that he return the
>>  $10,000 campaign contribution from the LNC. Mr. Moore's
>>  two votes were egregious.   Thoughts?  Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High
>>  and LIVE FREE!  The Invisible Hand of
>>  Self-Interest is Mightier Than the Sword of
>>  Government! ~David Pratt Demaresthttp://www.lpne.org
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>>  secretary at lpne.orgdpdemarest@centurylink.net
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>>  david.demarest at firstdata.com
>>  Cell: 402-981-6469Home: 402-493-0873Office: 402-222-7207  From:
>> Lnc-business
>>  [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
>>  Caryn Ann Harlos
>>  Sent: Thursday,
>>  October 20, 2016 7:45 PM
>>  To:
>>  lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>  Subject:
>>  [Lnc-business] Motion: Assemblyman Moore - request for
>>  co-sponsors
>>   Multiple
>>  party members including region 1 members have acted that the
>>  LNC take action regarding Assemblyman Moore. While normally,
>>  I would say that is solely an issue for the state party to
>>  handle, unless possibly, a Federal candidate, but in this
>>  case, we spent National Party member's direct monies,
>>  and thus I do agree this is our responsibility.  As someone
>>  who advocated for the funds allocation, I believe it is my
>>  responsibility to address this once members raised a
>>  concern:
>>   Whereas Nevada Assemblyman John
>>  Moore, a former Republican who in January 2016 switched to
>>  the Libertarian Party while in office, has during the past
>>  month voted not once but twice in the span of as many days
>>  to raise taxes on his constituents, including a vote to
>>  support a "More Cops" tax which the Libertarian
>>  Party of Nevada has tirelessly and thus far successfully
>>  opposed, and a vote to provide a $750 million subsidy to
>>  finance a billionaire-owned sports stadium at the expense
>>  of, among others, indigent persons renting weekly rooms in
>>  motels; and  Whereas the elected leaders of our
>>  state affiliate party in Nevada have rightfully voted to
>>  censure Assemblyman Moore for these egregious votes;
>>  and  Whereas we wish to convey a strong
>>  message to all and sundry that while we welcome sitting
>>  legislators in the Republican or Democrat parties who
>>  decide to switch to the Libertarian Party as an act of
>>  conscience, we do not welcome them if they
>>  intend, as members of our party, to continue voting and
>>  acting like Republicans or Democrats;  Therefore be it resolved that the
>>  Libertarian National Committee hereby censures Assemblyman
>>  Moore for his recent votes in support of tax increases,
>>  requests that he return the $10,000 campaign contribution
>>  which the LNC this season voted to send him, and admonishes
>>  him to henceforward be a better champion of the values held
>>  by members of the political party with which he has chosen
>>  to affiliate if he intends to remain a
>>  Libertarian.
>>    --
>>  In
>>  Liberty,Caryn Ann
>>  HarlosRegion 1 Representative,
>>  Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado,
>>  Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>  Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
>>  ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>>  Radical Caucus
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>> *In Liberty,*
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>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
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>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
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> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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