[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition botched (as predicted)
Caryn Ann Harlos
carynannharlos at gmail.com
Wed Oct 26 00:36:21 EDT 2016
Kevin, the Party, and the LNC if it does not act (and I consider securing a
promise that this will be fixed in a matter of days an "act") is in
violation of the Bylaws. My duty is to protect the membes' rights under
the Bylaws. I had to make it publicly known that I see the Bylaws
violation and am committed to making sure it gets fixed. That is my duty
as representative of the members in my Region.
There is nothing that can be done now, but a website should not have gone
live that is in violation of our Bylaws.
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
> Again, duly noted.
>
> I'm not sure *who* is in violation of the bylaws, but I can't give you
> them any faster than we're going. Obviously as the one handling these
> issues, I will take full responsibility for it. And since I'm not sure
> what it means for me to be in violation of the bylaws.
>
> ...and I'm not even trying to be smug, but really, what can I possibly do
> right this second that knowing that is going to change?
>
> ~k
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:23 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Everyone, I will chill out a few days as promised, but I want to get on
>> the record that not having the LNC minutes and link to the LNC Business
>> List on the website when it went live is a clear Bylaws violation. I am
>> uninterested in whether or not a marketing firm thinks that is "autustic"
>> or not. I look forward to this being put to head of the pile to correct.
>> Whether or not anyone else thinks this should be a priority, our Bylaws say
>> otherwise. The site should not have went live without this.
>>
>>
>> 1.
>>
>> The Secretary or a designee shall promptly post notice for each
>> session of the National Committee; any National Committee proposed agendas;
>> and approved minutes of each Convention and open National Committee session
>> to a permanent archive section on the Party’s website. Any person may
>> record the National Committee’s proceedings while in open session, or
>> subscribe to a read-only email list on which LNC votes are recorded.
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Ken, for the constructive position.
>>>
>>> As noted, I would really like to get actual problems with the site
>>> organized so that they can be tackled. Staff has been working on testing;
>>> I have been building the infrastructure.
>>>
>>> It is very useful to be informed of visible problems so that we can
>>> address them so any effort you're willing to make in that regard is highly
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> ~k
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've been involved in lots of various projects throughout my IT
>>>> career. This website project seems to fit the stereotypical IT project.
>>>>
>>>> I personally don't like the layout of the website, but I'm a grumpy
>>>> "old" man who still likes 2006-era website layouts with drop-down menus and
>>>> whatnot. The design we need, however, is one targeted at millenials. We
>>>> know this because of the Johnson campaign's polling. That's the future of
>>>> this party. I believe that this website accomplishes that task. I'd be
>>>> interested to see how it looks on a mobile (I'm also still using a
>>>> Blackberry. Don't ask.)
>>>>
>>>> Kevin - Thank you for continuing onward with this project, even though
>>>> you are no longer on the LNC. As one who's been embroiled in volunteer
>>>> projects that have run over time and over budget, I know how much of a PITA
>>>> it is to put the time in and also take the inevitable hits. I'm sure you're
>>>> all too aware, as well. But I wanted to make sure you knew that at least I
>>>> knew and recognized what's up.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck, and others with concerns - Let's make a list of the "what's
>>>> wrong", try to prioritize that list based on importance and easy
>>>> of resolution, and try to work through them. Any website changeover will
>>>> take time to fix. I know there are some "broken links" where people
>>>> externally linked things like LP.org/join ... I have a cool graphic from
>>>> The Advocates that we used on LPKY.org that has the same problem. These can
>>>> ad should be resolved.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As the new IT committee is formed, I'm sure we'll be tasked
>>>> with assessing these issues and implementing fixes. I ask that everyone
>>>> please be patient. We have 2 weeks until the election is over. If there's
>>>> anything election-related that's not working, then we definitely need to
>>>> address that immediately. Otherwise, let's get through Nov 8th and then we
>>>> can push forward with this and other projects.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2016-10-25 23:38, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Kevin. I will cool my jets on that issue for a few days and
>>>> check back in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No problem, Caryn.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't even think days. I would think A day. Staff was tasked
>>>>> with taking each page from the old Drupal system and importing it into the
>>>>> new one. As far as I know ALL pages were copied over. They were copied
>>>>> into 1 of 6 (or so) different page templates that were created to serve
>>>>> different formats of data. So I'm certain we have everything. Even if it
>>>>> hadn't been copied over, we still have it and it would just need TO BE
>>>>> copied over, but I don't believe this is the case. I believe in those
>>>>> cases the links structure may have changed. We have been updating these so
>>>>> that all incoming links to the old structure point to the appropriate new
>>>>> structure and send out PERMANENT REDIRECT notifications to Google and such
>>>>> (so things are updated).
>>>>>
>>>>> ~k
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Kevin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is why I was asking staff about them. If we are talking a
>>>>>> matter of days for that content - that is reasonable. If moreso, not so
>>>>>> much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I genuinely am not trying to avoid those issues. I know content is
>>>>>>> there. What I'm trying to convey is that from my point of view, if those
>>>>>>> documents are "opaque" for another 12 hours, I'm okay with that. I realize
>>>>>>> you might not be, but this goes back to my volunteering work. I have to
>>>>>>> prioritize work that I am personally responsible for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I will happily weigh in with staff and get links to them. I can
>>>>>>> even check the admin pages and see what the current URL is provided they
>>>>>>> have been copied and not linked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I really need to know if anything is actually not functioning.
>>>>>>> This is what my current workload is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I apologize if any of that sounds dismissive. It's not my intent,
>>>>>>> but I can't do specific projects for you and/or Chuck or the LNC or
>>>>>>> whomever else right now as I need to make sure the site is fully
>>>>>>> functional. If/when it IS fully functional (which it very well may already
>>>>>>> be), then we can address any missing pieces.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you Kevin for all your work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't though not desire answers on the minutes archives and LNC
>>>>>>>> business list not being there. That is essential for members and cannot be
>>>>>>>> optional.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can staff answer when those can be restored? This is an acceptable
>>>>>>>> situation of opacity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've always gotten along with you just fine as you're very
>>>>>>>>> reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In this case, I respectfully disagree that it's useful to deliver
>>>>>>>>> a 6-page rant citing the "I told you so" lines when the decision has been
>>>>>>>>> done, executed, and is live. Further, I have been in this business for 20
>>>>>>>>> years now. We had roughly 2.5 hours of outages this morning between
>>>>>>>>> roughly 7:45AM and 9:15AM EST. This was only because of the unknown.
>>>>>>>>> Staff has spent a lot of time testing this software. It was rolled over
>>>>>>>>> twice already and rolled back just to ensure we COULD roll it back if there
>>>>>>>>> was a major problem. The point being that we transitioned an entire
>>>>>>>>> infrastructure from 6 services to ONE, the monthly cost savings should be
>>>>>>>>> about $500 once everything is in place, and best I can tell nothing is
>>>>>>>>> broken - there are just complaints that some things are missing (which
>>>>>>>>> they're definitely not, but I'll concede that perhaps staff hasn't finished
>>>>>>>>> adding links - I honestly don't know right now).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are no major problems that anyone has reported save for the
>>>>>>>>> overloading this morning. The page content was always intended to / has
>>>>>>>>> been / and IS preserved. If a link isn't immediately visible, then staff
>>>>>>>>> can correct that if appropriate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> IF there are broken links, namely as a URL may have changed and
>>>>>>>>> needs to be forwarded now, I would really, genuinely like to know so I can
>>>>>>>>> fix those problems. I offered that to Chuck. I offered it to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That said, we can start however necessary. I have ostensibly
>>>>>>>>> worked on this for 3.5 straight weeks. That is not because of the website
>>>>>>>>> itself, but rather the years of garbaged up infrastructure. We would have
>>>>>>>>> rolled the site out 6 weeks ago if not for all of that. My point being
>>>>>>>>> that I've been voluntarily taking on FAR more work than was entailed in the
>>>>>>>>> website redesign itself because our infrastructure couldn't handle the
>>>>>>>>> modern codebase (it is roughly 8 years out of spec).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would ask that you leave whatever issues you have with content
>>>>>>>>> alone for the time being. I'm not saying they won't be addressed, I'm
>>>>>>>>> saying that it's not a primary concern. The primary concern is ensuring
>>>>>>>>> that the site is running so it can serve up any content. IF there is a
>>>>>>>>> problem with something not loading, we need to know that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Staff has copied over existing pages and so nothing is lost or
>>>>>>>>> destroyed or anything of this sort.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I need to convey though, that I am not on the clock for the people
>>>>>>>>> on this thread. I have been, and am continuing to volunteer a tremendous
>>>>>>>>> amount of time to ensure this is completed smoothly. I am happy to try and
>>>>>>>>> fix things that are broken. I'm very uninterested in listening to Mr.
>>>>>>>>> Molton rant on about his discontent with the structure. It's done. That
>>>>>>>>> ship sailed in February.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So that's where I'm at. By all means, please inform me of broken
>>>>>>>>> pieces so we can look at and correct anything ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kevin,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He was writing as a member to a busy elected to SERVE members.
>>>>>>>>>> That means sometimes we will hear things we don't want to and have to
>>>>>>>>>> respond to very upset complaints. No matter what anyone says -
>>>>>>>>>> high-handed responses are not appropriate IMHO.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't agree with Chuck's desire to see heads roll. I said so
>>>>>>>>>> respectfully,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can we start again?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck opened with whoever made the decision was a MORON and
>>>>>>>>>>> should be FIRED.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think my response was in line.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, I remain open to seeing links broken. I'm sure some
>>>>>>>>>>> still exist. We launched the site this morning. Staff has spent weeks
>>>>>>>>>>> testing the site and fixing links and such. I'm all for fixing dead links,
>>>>>>>>>>> but 6 pages of complaints without any information is not helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I'm not a member of the LNC. I'm a volunteer only. So I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't really owe anyone anything. I've delightfully put in a couple hundred
>>>>>>>>>>> hours so far. That's the best I'm willing to do at this point given such a
>>>>>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin, that was an inappropriate response to concerns of a
>>>>>>>>>>>> member IMHO- his concerns are valid and shouldn't be dismissed as "oh you
>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarians, you are a minority - we can safely ignore you."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the links to the LNC Business list, the old blog
>>>>>>>>>>>> articles, and the past minutes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we have the discussion without sarcasm and without putting
>>>>>>>>>>>> down Libertarians as inconsequential?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Chuck,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the constructive feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll delightfully take credit/responsibility for whatever and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all actions you've written about. Please pardon Nick, Robert, Wes, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody else in your crosshairs. I'm sure they'll be relieved to be spared.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to read that entire document you've sent as I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spent the last 3 weeks trying to fix the party's infrastructure for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> website TO go live. It was finished two days ago, it was launched last
>>>>>>>>>>>>> night. That was my call.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would be useful right now would be if you could point out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to them. Any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> page content that existed STILL exists. This has been made clear over and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> over again. It's possible that some page links have not been forwarded,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I've been monitoring logs on all 4 servers all day and have not seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many 404s. The downtime this morning wasn't actually from an outage, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather ME under-predicting the load our servers would take. This is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> admittedly because I didn't have any data to go on because -- well -- we've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not really ever kept any before. I made the best prediction I could; I way
>>>>>>>>>>>>> under-estimated. The servers were scaled up and unless you're seeing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something different, the site has been running fine all day since about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9:45am CST. It was running before that just fine too, but the morning
>>>>>>>>>>>>> surge in traffic overwhelmed it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd love to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up additional forwards. Overall though, I'm pretty happy with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> change. I'm happy we've done it before the election - even if it wound up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> being delayed from our proposed launch of September 29th.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The old site was very, very bad. I know you're a tech guy all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way. I know words resonate with you and not colors and images and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings and emotions. But you comprise a very, very, VERY small portion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the American electorate and the new site was designed to appeal to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who are visually oriented, not interested in reading walls of text,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and might have the attention span of a few seconds at best (eg: the vast
>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of people). It was designed for people who might not care about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Libertarian Party - in hopes that something grabs their attention and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they begin to care. We don't need to "win over" existing Libertarians --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or at least one would think, but it's honestly hard to tell these days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, it was decided. It's done. You can hate it. But I'd still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> love your help in knowing where links are broken instead of mostly ignoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>> another wall of text. That would help ensure that it's in good shape.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you'd like to vent further, feel free to call me at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968 to spare the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Chuck Moulton <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chuck at moulton.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC members,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of the problems I warned about have in fact come to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. It is Cassandra's Curse: always right but never believed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the exchange from IPR quoted below (in the P.S.) for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context and institutional memory. I'll quote and discuss some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highlights here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #1: TRANSITIONS CAN BE BOTCHED, LEADING TO DOWNTIME —
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AT THE WORST TIME IN THE ELECTION CYCLE FOR SUCH DOWNTIME: THE PRESIDENTIAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAMPAIGN.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This buggy transition was implemented 13 days before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential election. That is the 13th worst day in a 4 year cycle to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unveil a new a new website. There were/are 1,448 better days to change to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new website in a 4 year cycle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever MORON decided to switch to a new website today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of after the election should be immediately FIRED. Do not pass go,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not collect $200. FIRED. I can't imagine a stupider, more incompetent,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategically insane decision than pulling the plug on a working website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying out a new, buggy website immediately before a presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. It is INSANE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like staff, but if Wes Benedict made this idiotic decision,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FIRE HIM IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like much of the LNC, but if Nick Sarwark made this idiotic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision, SUSPEND HIM FOR CAUSE IMMEDIATELY (I'll gladly recuse myself as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member of the Judicial Committee if he appeals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Kevin Ludlow made this idiotic decision, RESCIND THE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FEBRUARY 2016 MOTION GIVING LUDLOW UNILATERAL AUTHORITY OVER THE LP'S MOST
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMPORTANT ASSET IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything we were told about a professional transition that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not suffer from the pitfalls I highlighted was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It takes significantly more time for lp.org pages to load
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than before. The site has been down on & off all day long. For a while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were directed to another domain whenever they went to a LP page:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libparty.zocalodesign.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #2: A LOT OF CONTENT IS REMOVED. LACK OF THAT CONTENT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAKES IT MUCH HARDER TO ENERGIZE PROSPECTS; GET DONATIONS, VOLUNTEERS, AND
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CANDIDATES; AND TRAIN LIBERTARIANS ON BEST PRACTICES.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), a lot of content has been removed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from lp.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, as chair of the Judicial Committee I wonder what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened to the webpage listing bylaws mandated committee members?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where is the link to the LP Business list?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the LNC minute archives before 2015?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go on and on, but I cover this point more broadly in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my next unheeded warning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was repeatedly assured that content would not be removed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except that the front page would be made less cluttered. That was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #3: BOTH CONTENT REMOVAL AND TRANSITIONS TO A NEW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SYSTEM MAY LEAD SOME PAGES TO BE REMOVED OR MOVED, BREAKING LINKS TO PARTS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OF THE SITE FROM ALL AROUND THE INTERNET AND MAKING US LOOK UNPROFESSIONAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WITH 404 ERRORS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The number of 404 errors is shocking! Activists have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out there for months / years promoting our website by linking to it --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially during this presidential election. Most of those links are now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just try clicking on many of these links:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=site%3Alp.or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> g&oq=site%3Alp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been told the solution is just to report each broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link. That is ridiculous! It is completely unprofessional for a website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition to be reactive instead of proactive -- especially given that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links probably number in the thousands. We were assured that this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a professional transition, but that was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #4: A NEW SYSTEM REQUIRES RETRAINING STAFF ON
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROCESSES — TIME THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS. EVEN AFTER
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RETRAINING THERE WILL BE A LEARNING CURVE... EXTRA TIME FOR WEBSITE RELATED
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TASKS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), staff has mentioned that the website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition has taken staff time that could have been devoted to other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matters in this busy election season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/00657
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope we can get those things below implemented early in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, and get back to LPedia and many other projects, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're trying to roll out the new LP.org website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #5: INTERNAL SCRIPTS THAT CURRENTLY AUTOMATICALLY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SHOOT DATA TO STATE AFFILIATES SUCH AS THE VOLUNTEER FORM, THE WANT TO BE A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CANDIDATE FORM, THE INFO FORM, ETC. MAY STOP WORKING, WHICH WOULD DEPRIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> STATES OF A VALUABLE SOURCE OF LEADS DURING A TRANSITION PERIOD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do these all still work? I don't know. I can't currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test this as I am not a state chair right now. I hope someone is testing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this stuff. Based on all of the other monumental errors highlighted above,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly don't trust whoever oversaw the website transition to have done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You all made a monumental error when you voted on this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website. Please do whatever you can to minimize the damage and triage the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website that is being butchered before your very eyes. I hope the lost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content can be restored and the bugs can be fixed ASAP. Even if everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is fixed within the next week though, the timing is still horrendous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. See below for context on this botched website transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and eerily accurate prophesies from people with a clue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/00416
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Our website is a joke. I mean a real, horrible,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laughable, "maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's 1996 and the www portion of the internet has just been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unleashed" joke. It's got ridiculous internal ads all over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terribly organized. It uses bad images. It has an outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> font, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great font colors, and antiquated font-spacing and sizing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It barely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functions on mobile devices. It's full of information it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have. It conveys that we're not a serious organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/00428
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to do all of these things. So I'm asking you, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stop what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're doing for 30 seconds, reflect what could happen if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually tried to accomplish this one little task. What is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the WORST
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that could happen? We fail? We're in a very slightly worse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position than we already are? But now consider what is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BEST that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could happen? Maybe this tailspin of a cash hole we're in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stops.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would see that the LNC is doing something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would have their morale boosted just a little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more inclined to donate. MAYBE we could use it as a way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leverage requesting donations from people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321872
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the worst that can happen? It's not $20,000 wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty stupid thinking there... accounting rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economics. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst that can happen is the site is much worse than before.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of content is removed. Lack of that content makes it much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harder to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energize prospects; get donations, volunteers, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> train libertarians on best practices. A new system requires
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retraining staff on processes — time that coupd have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other things. Even after retraining there will be a learning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curve...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extra time for website related tasks that could have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other things. Will conversion of new visitors go up with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flashy styled website? Maybe, but it could also go down,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential cost. This is especially likely when the focus is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design/style rather than the technical features under the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hood. When
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content is removed it may piss off current donors and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activists, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may reduce their donations and activism. Both content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removal and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transitions to a new system may lead some pages to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved, breaking links to parts of the site from all around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet and making us look unprofessional with 404 errors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sites often start out with a few bugs and errors which can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while to track down... the site may look less professional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interim. Transitions can be botched, leading to downtime —
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst time in the election cycle for such downtime: the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campaign. Internal scripts that currently automatically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoot data to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state affiliates such as the volunteer form, the want to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate form, the info form, etc. may stop working, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deprive states of a valuable source of leads during a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period. That's just what I could come up with off the top of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my head...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are probably a lot more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321907
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've launched many large scale sites just in the past year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single one of those sites had any of the problems you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to. They DID – when they were on our development and testing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> servers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> – but not when they went into production. That's how web
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> launches
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are done professionally. A thorough maintenance schedule
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be implemented and the website would be designed for minimal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintainability in the first place. ...also in accordance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322226
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, there is absolutely NO intention to remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content from the website. This crowd has an astounding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spin half-truths and bake them into something entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will clarify specifically what is meant by moving them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The FRONT PAGE of a website (for a non-profit, business, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other organization) is NOT to leave people with walls of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to create a fast and positive impression and to get a call to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having dozens and dozens of options is incredibly poor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly proven to be ineffective, and generally an archaic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website idea. The current website is not responsive; it does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well (and not at all in some cases) on mobile and tablet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322257
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great! Somehow in all your emails to the LNC (I read every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business list email) you never mentioned anything about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition process. All you talk about is design/style.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can manage a transition process well, that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonderful. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly hasn't been done in the past. The transition from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FoxPro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Raiser's Edge was a disaster... it resulted in states not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working dumps for a year and a lot of records being screwed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (e.g., deceased coming back to life, etc.). During the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition a decade ago, the LNC meeting minutes archive and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Success 97 and Success 99 seminars were removed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the IT Committee discussion and report (pp. 15-16, pp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 51-59):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20061111.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there will be no transition hiccups, that's wonderful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still didn't address all the scripts on the website right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the technical considerations Shane discussed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm concerned about giving management of the transition job
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talks about design/style, wants to remove content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (supposedly...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I see you have now clarified that), and never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentions a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition plan to minimize problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's great that you're finally talking about a transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan! It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not my fault it's the first I've heard of it though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are lots of people in the LP (myself included) who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transitions mismanaged and are worried of a repeat of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disasters. We're not saying the sky is going to fall because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're saying the sky has fallen in the past, we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence of this, and you don't seem as on top of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process as we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would hope to prevent similar problems. (You also seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutional memory to be aware of these past issues.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter of you not communicating your transition plan and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not a matter of us being overly pessimistic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322261
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry you've had people half-ass these efforts in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely cannot say I'm surprised. I focus on style
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external world, style IS the most important thing. This in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means I neglect the engine, but in 20 years of delivering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nearly 100% of clients will respond positively to a broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that looks amazing over a badass functioning system that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks ugly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just psychology. Again, it doesn't mean it doesn't all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322267
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've found libertarians have a different psychology than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world. The tech saavy folks will feel talked down to or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you only talk about style, ignoring tech under the hood. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideological folks will feel defensive if you malign content.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in both categories, as do others on this thread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just something to keep in mind for the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stewart Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322926
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So they're creating a new website committee and giving it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to screw everything up without having to go back to the LNC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approval on which one of their pals they give the money to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322930
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they created a new committee with unlimited power over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website. Then they spent the whole time debating an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $10,000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322938
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am hugely concerned about giving any one person carte
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blanche over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ========================================================
>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>> 512-773-3968
>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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