[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition botched (as predicted)
Caryn Ann Harlos
carynannharlos at gmail.com
Thu Oct 27 09:10:29 EDT 2016
I have no issues with the pictures - we don't look stuffy.
The load time is terrible but I am assured they are working on it.
On Thursday, October 27, 2016, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
> I have not looked very hard yet, but even at 5 am central in the morning
> the website is godawful slow to load. That's not a bitch, consider that
> informational purposes.
>
> On the LNC page. ( https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/ )Many
> of us paid for head shots. Moving away from that I think is a bad idea.
> Also, there are a lot of problems with this page from the standpoint of
> basic human psychology. Most of what I say below is Nov. 9th stuff, but I
> think correcting the pictures is a bit more pressing.
>
> Nick's looks real young and innocent. He reminds me of a kindergarten
> student in that picture. It's his picture but I suggest his pro head shot.
> I do think Valerie might like this one though but he convinced her to marry
> him so I think he is past the phase of convincing her he is credible and
> competent.
>
> Arvin's looks surprised like someone just told him he got selected to
> represent the school in the spelling bee and responded with. "REALLY?
> ME?!!!"
>
> Alicia's picture has her looking away and you can't see her eyes. She
> looks occupied. Its not as bad as the others but once again... Pro Head
> shot.
>
> Bill's picture is the one that caught my attention with this initially.
> Bill looks pissed off. He might have been pissed off. I feel ya Bill...I
> get pissed off a lot too like I will be in my next email after this one to
> the list. That said..NOT the picture to use. Pro head shot
>
> I think Larry's is a decent one but why not use a Pro head shot if he has
> one for consistency.
>
> That said... WHY? I now find myself involved in the task that this board
> shouldn't be involved in.. Micromanaging things. But at the same time, I am
> annoyed that staff time was spent deciding on putting these pictures here
> when all of the people I mentioned with "bad" pics in my opinion had
> professional head shots that they PAID for. Also where is Sam's? Never
> mind..I thought it was a broken link but it just failed to load the first
> time. Also, I think his picture is less than flattering compared to his
> head shot. I know there were others that had professional head shots. Now
> we have a bunch of blank spaces and many of our board members not looking
> very inspiring of confidence.
> e
> Additionally, the form of the page. Get the pictures of the people at the
> TOP instead of a Wall O Text mapping out all the regions. Put that below
> the pictures. IF someone needs to figure out their region or is interested
> they will look. Leave the link to the LNC reflector list at the top.
> Also, lose the spot where it lists the region of every member below the
> pictures because almost half the people listed don't have a region. Just
> list the region number in between the word Region and Representative where
> that is listed below each person's name.
> Let's include a place for people's phone numbers that want those
> included. Mine is 504-258-6176.
>
> Also where is the link to the Policy manual these days? I used to be able
> to find it by going to this page. It doesn't seem to be listed here
> anymore and doesn't seem to be in with the bylaws.
>
>
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member Region:At Large
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2016, at 05:05 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sfdreamer at earthlink.net');>> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Kevin. Can you tell me which issues that I mentioned are *not*
> being addressed, and if/when you plan to address them?
>
> I'm also wondering about the specific issue I mentioned in my previous
> message about the LNC page losing information on the way over, because I
> got the impression from your comment "Staff has copied over existing pages
> and so nothing is lost or destroyed or anything of this sort", that this
> should not have occurred. Do you know how it happened in this case, and
> whether it may have happened in other cases as well?
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
> (415) 625-FREE
> @StarchildSF
>
>
>>
>
> On Oct 26, 2016, at 8:32 AM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>
> Thanks, Starchild.
>
> Your feedback is well-taken and to your point, most of the issues you
> mention are being addressed.
>
> -Kevin
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sfdreamer at earthlink.net');>> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Ken, for the constructive position.
>> As noted, I would really like to get actual problems with the site
>> organized so that they can be tackled. Staff has been working on testing;
>> I have been building the infrastructure.
>> It is very useful to be informed of visible problems so that we can
>> address them so any effort you're willing to make in that regard is highly
>> appreciated.
>>
>> ~k
>>
>>
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>> Not sure whether you saw my original post to the LNC list informing on a
>> number of actual problems with the site, but in case you missed it, here it
>> is. In light of your explanations in response to Chuck and Caryn, I'm
>> curious about one page which has been ported over to the new site but still
>> somehow lost some information along the way, namely the LNC page (
>> https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/) which no longer
>> lists any phone numbers or other contact info beyond email addresses. I
>> would like my phone number [(415) 625-FREE] and twitter handle
>> (@StarchildSF) added to that page. (Ideally I think every LNC member's
>> listing should include a phone number at which they can be contacted.)
>> Thanks, and please let me know if you have any questions about anything
>> else I wrote below.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>> ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> (415) 625-FREE
>> @StarchildSF
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> On 10/25/2016 12:53 PM, Starchild wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Yesterday, I'm told, the launch of the new and improved LP.org website
>>> took place. And on the whole, at a quick look, I'd say it *is* an
>>> improvement. Both appearance-wise and organizationally, I like the new
>>> site. I wouldn't call the difference earth-shattering, but my initial
>>> impression is generally positive.
>>>
>>> There are however a number of issues that have come to my attention
>>> which could use fixing, some more serious than others:
>>>
>>> • While the site looks good on the web, it looks terrible on my phone!
>>> The "Latest News" boxes show up as long, narrow, unreadable columns of type
>>> with a couple letters on each line. Considering how many people access
>>> websites on mobile devices, fixing this should be a high priority.
>>>
>>> • I don't see either the "Party of Principle" or "Minimum Government,
>>> Maximum Freedom" slogans shown anywhere (a search for key terms doesn't
>>> turn them up). Nor do I see the Nolan Chart except buried in a link. Each
>>> of these ought to be listed prominently, imho. The brief introduction
>>> statement when you click on "Libertarian Party" at the top of the main page
>>> is rather weak ("The Libertarian Party (LP) is your representative in
>>> American politics. We are the only political organization which respects
>>> you as a unique and responsible individual.")
>>>
>>> • The more detailed description of the party has a conservative leaning.
>>> Under "The Libertarian Option" (at http://libparty.zocalodesi
>>> gn.com/about/ , a URL that like that of many pages should also be fixed
>>> so that it doesn't include the web design company's website), it reads:
>>>
>>> Consider voting Libertarian or joining the Libertarian Party because…
>>>
>>> - We seek to substantially reduce the size and intrusiveness of
>>> government and cut and eliminate taxes at every opportunity.
>>> - We believe that peaceful, honest people should be able to offer
>>> their goods and services to willing consumers without inappropriate
>>> interference from government.
>>> - We believe that peaceful, honest people should decide for
>>> themselves how to live their lives, without fear of criminal or civil
>>> penalties.
>>> - We believe that government’s only responsibility, if any, should
>>> be protecting people from force and fraud.
>>>
>>> The first two points above appeal more to conservatives or people on the
>>> right (economic freedoms), while the second two points are more neutral in
>>> terms of left/right appeal. There is no balancing appeal to people on the
>>> left by explicitly mentioning things like a non-interventionist foreign
>>> policy or civil liberties such as ending Prohibition and reining in police
>>> abuse.
>>>
>>> • The URL for the candidate page has changed (hat tip to Thomas Knapp),
>>> and entering the former URL (http://www.lp.org/2016-libert
>>> arian-party-candidates) apparently now results in a page error rather
>>> than connecting people to the new page (https://www.lp.org/2016-candi
>>> dates/).
>>>
>>> • If the information about how to subscribe to the LNC email list as a
>>> non-LNC member got ported over, I cannot find it. I would suggest listing
>>> this both on the LNC leadership page, and on the LNC meeting archives page.
>>>
>>> • The LNC page only lists email addresses. Previously at least a couple
>>> LNC members' listings included phone number and/or other info such as
>>> Twitter address, but now those listings are gone and only email addresses
>>> are listed. I would personally like my phone number and Twitter handle
>>> listed, and encourage my colleagues to request their phone numbers likewise
>>> be listed, so that our members can readily reach us directly as well as in
>>> writing.
>>>
>>> • Where email addresses are listed on the website (for candidates, LNC
>>> members, staff, college chapter reps., etc.), they are spelled out. That's
>>> unfortunately asking to get us spammed by web-crawling bots that harvest
>>> email addresses. I recommend changing this so that addresses are listed in
>>> a less literal format such as Nick.Sarwark[at]LP.org
>>>
>>> • The page https://www.lp.org/_2016/ mentions Johnson and Weld being
>>> our presidential and VP candidates, but the photo next to the text is
>>> *not* a photo of Johnson and Weld, but of Johnson and a woman I'm
>>> guessing is his girlfriend (which is fine, but should be labeled as such so
>>> as not to give visitors the impression that the images reflect the text).
>>>
>>> • Our bylaws are referred to in the info at the bottom of each page as
>>> "LNC Bylaws" rather than "Libertarian Party Bylaws"
>>>
>>> • A number of people (staff, LNC members) are missing photos. To whom
>>> can we send photos of these individuals, if we have them, as well as our
>>> contact info updates for the LNC page?
>>>
>>> I realize the site has just been updated; hopefully some of the above
>>> issues are being addressed even as I type this message. And on the bright
>>> side, the new "candidate pledges" section listing candidates who've
>>> signed each pledge is a nice addition, along with the listing by name and
>>> state of life members, candidates, and elected officials, not to mention
>>> the attractive photos from the convention scattered throughout the site. I
>>> like that the membership and donation forms are single-page, and that the
>>> FAQ page addresses arguments against participating in the system at all.
>>> And I love the "Help Us Grow" page (http://libparty.zocalodesign.
>>> com/how-to-help/) and the addition of a "worldwide" link in addition to
>>> the state affiliates and campus organizations! But I would suggest that
>>> link directly to a list of the libertarian parties around the world, with
>>> that page then containing a link to and information about the International
>>> Alliance of Libertarian Parties. Right now it immediately leads offsite to
>>> the IALP page, which is a little confusing.
>>>
>>> That's my feedback at this time. If staff would acknowledge receipt of
>>> this message and keep us appraised of the progress in addressing the
>>> above-mentioned issues, that would be great.
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>> ((( starchild )))
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>> @StarchildSF
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ken.moellman at lpky.org');>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I've been involved in lots of various projects throughout my IT career.
>>> This website project seems to fit the stereotypical IT project.
>>>
>>> I personally don't like the layout of the website, but I'm a grumpy
>>> "old" man who still likes 2006-era website layouts with drop-down menus and
>>> whatnot. The design we need, however, is one targeted at millenials. We
>>> know this because of the Johnson campaign's polling. That's the future of
>>> this party. I believe that this website accomplishes that task. I'd be
>>> interested to see how it looks on a mobile (I'm also still using a
>>> Blackberry. Don't ask.)
>>>
>>> Kevin - Thank you for continuing onward with this project, even though
>>> you are no longer on the LNC. As one who's been embroiled in volunteer
>>> projects that have run over time and over budget, I know how much of a PITA
>>> it is to put the time in and also take the inevitable hits. I'm sure you're
>>> all too aware, as well. But I wanted to make sure you knew that at least I
>>> knew and recognized what's up.
>>>
>>> Chuck, and others with concerns - Let's make a list of the "what's
>>> wrong", try to prioritize that list based on importance and easy
>>> of resolution, and try to work through them. Any website changeover will
>>> take time to fix. I know there are some "broken links" where people
>>> externally linked things like LP.org/join ... I have a cool graphic
>>> from The Advocates that we used on LPKY.org that has the same problem.
>>> These can ad should be resolved.
>>>
>>>
>>> As the new IT committee is formed, I'm sure we'll be tasked
>>> with assessing these issues and implementing fixes. I ask that everyone
>>> please be patient. We have 2 weeks until the election is over. If there's
>>> anything election-related that's not working, then we definitely need to
>>> address that immediately. Otherwise, let's get through Nov 8th and then we
>>> can push forward with this and other projects.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2016-10-25 23:38, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Kevin. I will cool my jets on that issue for a few days and
>>> check back in.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ludlow at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No problem, Caryn.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't even think days. I would think A day. Staff was tasked
>>>> with taking each page from the old Drupal system and importing it into the
>>>> new one. As far as I know ALL pages were copied over. They were copied
>>>> into 1 of 6 (or so) different page templates that were created to serve
>>>> different formats of data. So I'm certain we have everything. Even if it
>>>> hadn't been copied over, we still have it and it would just need TO BE
>>>> copied over, but I don't believe this is the case. I believe in those
>>>> cases the links structure may have changed. We have been updating these so
>>>> that all incoming links to the old structure point to the appropriate new
>>>> structure and send out PERMANENT REDIRECT notifications to Google and such
>>>> (so things are updated).
>>>>
>>>> ~k
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Kevin.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is why I was asking staff about them. If we are talking a matter
>>>>> of days for that content - that is reasonable. If moreso, not so much.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I genuinely am not trying to avoid those issues. I know content is
>>>>>> there. What I'm trying to convey is that from my point of view, if those
>>>>>> documents are "opaque" for another 12 hours, I'm okay with that. I realize
>>>>>> you might not be, but this goes back to my volunteering work. I have to
>>>>>> prioritize work that I am personally responsible for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I will happily weigh in with staff and get links to them. I can
>>>>>> even check the admin pages and see what the current URL is provided they
>>>>>> have been copied and not linked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I really need to know if anything is actually not functioning.
>>>>>> This is what my current workload is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I apologize if any of that sounds dismissive. It's not my intent,
>>>>>> but I can't do specific projects for you and/or Chuck or the LNC or
>>>>>> whomever else right now as I need to make sure the site is fully
>>>>>> functional. If/when it IS fully functional (which it very well may already
>>>>>> be), then we can address any missing pieces.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you Kevin for all your work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't though not desire answers on the minutes archives and LNC
>>>>>>> business list not being there. That is essential for members and cannot be
>>>>>>> optional.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can staff answer when those can be restored? This is an acceptable
>>>>>>> situation of opacity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've always gotten along with you just fine as you're very
>>>>>>>> reasonable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In this case, I respectfully disagree that it's useful to deliver a
>>>>>>>> 6-page rant citing the "I told you so" lines when the decision has been
>>>>>>>> done, executed, and is live. Further, I have been in this business for 20
>>>>>>>> years now. We had roughly 2.5 hours of outages this morning between
>>>>>>>> roughly 7:45AM and 9:15AM EST. This was only because of the unknown.
>>>>>>>> Staff has spent a lot of time testing this software. It was rolled over
>>>>>>>> twice already and rolled back just to ensure we COULD roll it back if there
>>>>>>>> was a major problem. The point being that we transitioned an entire
>>>>>>>> infrastructure from 6 services to ONE, the monthly cost savings should be
>>>>>>>> about $500 once everything is in place, and best I can tell nothing is
>>>>>>>> broken - there are just complaints that some things are missing (which
>>>>>>>> they're definitely not, but I'll concede that perhaps staff hasn't finished
>>>>>>>> adding links - I honestly don't know right now).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are no major problems that anyone has reported save for the
>>>>>>>> overloading this morning. The page content was always intended to / has
>>>>>>>> been / and IS preserved. If a link isn't immediately visible, then staff
>>>>>>>> can correct that if appropriate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IF there are broken links, namely as a URL may have changed and
>>>>>>>> needs to be forwarded now, I would really, genuinely like to know so I can
>>>>>>>> fix those problems. I offered that to Chuck. I offered it to you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That said, we can start however necessary. I have ostensibly
>>>>>>>> worked on this for 3.5 straight weeks. That is not because of the website
>>>>>>>> itself, but rather the years of garbaged up infrastructure. We would have
>>>>>>>> rolled the site out 6 weeks ago if not for all of that. My point being
>>>>>>>> that I've been voluntarily taking on FAR more work than was entailed in the
>>>>>>>> website redesign itself because our infrastructure couldn't handle the
>>>>>>>> modern codebase (it is roughly 8 years out of spec).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would ask that you leave whatever issues you have with content
>>>>>>>> alone for the time being. I'm not saying they won't be addressed, I'm
>>>>>>>> saying that it's not a primary concern. The primary concern is ensuring
>>>>>>>> that the site is running so it can serve up any content. IF there is a
>>>>>>>> problem with something not loading, we need to know that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Staff has copied over existing pages and so nothing is lost or
>>>>>>>> destroyed or anything of this sort.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I need to convey though, that I am not on the clock for the people
>>>>>>>> on this thread. I have been, and am continuing to volunteer a tremendous
>>>>>>>> amount of time to ensure this is completed smoothly. I am happy to try and
>>>>>>>> fix things that are broken. I'm very uninterested in listening to Mr.
>>>>>>>> Molton rant on about his discontent with the structure. It's done. That
>>>>>>>> ship sailed in February.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So that's where I'm at. By all means, please inform me of broken
>>>>>>>> pieces so we can look at and correct anything ASAP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~k
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kevin,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He was writing as a member to a busy elected to SERVE members.
>>>>>>>>> That means sometimes we will hear things we don't want to and have to
>>>>>>>>> respond to very upset complaints. No matter what anyone says -
>>>>>>>>> high-handed responses are not appropriate IMHO.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I didn't agree with Chuck's desire to see heads roll. I said so
>>>>>>>>> respectfully,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can we start again?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Caryn,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chuck opened with whoever made the decision was a MORON and
>>>>>>>>>> should be FIRED.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think my response was in line.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, I remain open to seeing links broken. I'm sure some
>>>>>>>>>> still exist. We launched the site this morning. Staff has spent weeks
>>>>>>>>>> testing the site and fixing links and such. I'm all for fixing dead links,
>>>>>>>>>> but 6 pages of complaints without any information is not helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, I'm not a member of the LNC. I'm a volunteer only. So I
>>>>>>>>>> don't really owe anyone anything. I've delightfully put in a couple hundred
>>>>>>>>>> hours so far. That's the best I'm willing to do at this point given such a
>>>>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin, that was an inappropriate response to concerns of a
>>>>>>>>>>> member IMHO- his concerns are valid and shouldn't be dismissed as "oh you
>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarians, you are a minority - we can safely ignore you."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the links to the LNC Business list, the old blog
>>>>>>>>>>> articles, and the past minutes?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can we have the discussion without sarcasm and without putting
>>>>>>>>>>> down Libertarians as inconsequential?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Chuck,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the constructive feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll delightfully take credit/responsibility for whatever and
>>>>>>>>>>>> all actions you've written about. Please pardon Nick, Robert, Wes, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody else in your crosshairs. I'm sure they'll be relieved to be spared.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to read that entire document you've sent as I've
>>>>>>>>>>>> spent the last 3 weeks trying to fix the party's infrastructure for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> website TO go live. It was finished two days ago, it was launched last
>>>>>>>>>>>> night. That was my call.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What would be useful right now would be if you could point out
>>>>>>>>>>>> the broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to them. Any
>>>>>>>>>>>> page content that existed STILL exists. This has been made clear over and
>>>>>>>>>>>> over again. It's possible that some page links have not been forwarded,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but I've been monitoring logs on all 4 servers all day and have not seen
>>>>>>>>>>>> many 404s. The downtime this morning wasn't actually from an outage, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> rather ME under-predicting the load our servers would take. This is
>>>>>>>>>>>> admittedly because I didn't have any data to go on because -- well -- we've
>>>>>>>>>>>> not really ever kept any before. I made the best prediction I could; I way
>>>>>>>>>>>> under-estimated. The servers were scaled up and unless you're seeing
>>>>>>>>>>>> something different, the site has been running fine all day since about
>>>>>>>>>>>> 9:45am CST. It was running before that just fine too, but the morning
>>>>>>>>>>>> surge in traffic overwhelmed it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd love to
>>>>>>>>>>>> set up additional forwards. Overall though, I'm pretty happy with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> change. I'm happy we've done it before the election - even if it wound up
>>>>>>>>>>>> being delayed from our proposed launch of September 29th.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The old site was very, very bad. I know you're a tech guy all
>>>>>>>>>>>> the way. I know words resonate with you and not colors and images and
>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings and emotions. But you comprise a very, very, VERY small portion
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the American electorate and the new site was designed to appeal to
>>>>>>>>>>>> people who are visually oriented, not interested in reading walls of text,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and might have the attention span of a few seconds at best (eg: the vast
>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of people). It was designed for people who might not care about
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Libertarian Party - in hopes that something grabs their attention and
>>>>>>>>>>>> they begin to care. We don't need to "win over" existing Libertarians --
>>>>>>>>>>>> or at least one would think, but it's honestly hard to tell these days.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, it was decided. It's done. You can hate it. But I'd still
>>>>>>>>>>>> love your help in knowing where links are broken instead of mostly ignoring
>>>>>>>>>>>> another wall of text. That would help ensure that it's in good shape.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you'd like to vent further, feel free to call me at
>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968 to spare the group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Chuck Moulton <
>>>>>>>>>>>> chuck at moulton.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC members,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of the problems I warned about have in fact come to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. It is Cassandra's Curse: always right but never believed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the exchange from IPR quoted below (in the P.S.) for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> context and institutional memory. I'll quote and discuss some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> highlights here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #1: TRANSITIONS CAN BE BOTCHED, LEADING TO DOWNTIME —
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AT THE WORST TIME IN THE ELECTION CYCLE FOR SUCH DOWNTIME: THE PRESIDENTIAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAMPAIGN.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This buggy transition was implemented 13 days before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential election. That is the 13th worst day in a 4 year cycle to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unveil a new a new website. There were/are 1,448 better days to change to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new website in a 4 year cycle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever MORON decided to switch to a new website today
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of after the election should be immediately FIRED. Do not pass go,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not collect $200. FIRED. I can't imagine a stupider, more incompetent,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategically insane decision than pulling the plug on a working website
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying out a new, buggy website immediately before a presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. It is INSANE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like staff, but if Wes Benedict made this idiotic decision,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FIRE HIM IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like much of the LNC, but if Nick Sarwark made this idiotic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision, SUSPEND HIM FOR CAUSE IMMEDIATELY (I'll gladly recuse myself as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> member of the Judicial Committee if he appeals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Kevin Ludlow made this idiotic decision, RESCIND THE
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FEBRUARY 2016 MOTION GIVING LUDLOW UNILATERAL AUTHORITY OVER THE LP'S MOST
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMPORTANT ASSET IMMEDIATELY.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything we were told about a professional transition that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not suffer from the pitfalls I highlighted was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It takes significantly more time for lp.org pages to load
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than before. The site has been down on & off all day long. For a while
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were directed to another domain whenever they went to a LP page:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> libparty.zocalodesign.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #2: A LOT OF CONTENT IS REMOVED. LACK OF THAT CONTENT
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAKES IT MUCH HARDER TO ENERGIZE PROSPECTS; GET DONATIONS, VOLUNTEERS, AND
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CANDIDATES; AND TRAIN LIBERTARIANS ON BEST PRACTICES.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), a lot of content has been removed from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lp.org.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, as chair of the Judicial Committee I wonder what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened to the webpage listing bylaws mandated committee members?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where is the link to the LP Business list?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are the LNC minute archives before 2015?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could go on and on, but I cover this point more broadly in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my next unheeded warning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was repeatedly assured that content would not be removed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> except that the front page would be made less cluttered. That was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #3: BOTH CONTENT REMOVAL AND TRANSITIONS TO A NEW
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SYSTEM MAY LEAD SOME PAGES TO BE REMOVED OR MOVED, BREAKING LINKS TO PARTS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OF THE SITE FROM ALL AROUND THE INTERNET AND MAKING US LOOK UNPROFESSIONAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WITH 404 ERRORS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The number of 404 errors is shocking! Activists have been out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there for months / years promoting our website by linking to it --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially during this presidential election. Most of those links are now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just try clicking on many of these links:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=site%3Alp.or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> g&oq=site%3Alp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been told the solution is just to report each broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>> link. That is ridiculous! It is completely unprofessional for a website
>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition to be reactive instead of proactive -- especially given that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links probably number in the thousands. We were assured that this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a professional transition, but that was a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #4: A NEW SYSTEM REQUIRES RETRAINING STAFF ON
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROCESSES — TIME THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS. EVEN AFTER
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RETRAINING THERE WILL BE A LEARNING CURVE... EXTRA TIME FOR WEBSITE RELATED
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TASKS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact (as predicted), staff has mentioned that the website
>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition has taken staff time that could have been devoted to other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> matters in this busy election season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/00657
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope we can get those things below implemented early in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, and get back to LPedia and many other projects, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're trying to roll out the new LP.org website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING #5: INTERNAL SCRIPTS THAT CURRENTLY AUTOMATICALLY
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SHOOT DATA TO STATE AFFILIATES SUCH AS THE VOLUNTEER FORM, THE WANT TO BE A
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CANDIDATE FORM, THE INFO FORM, ETC. MAY STOP WORKING, WHICH WOULD DEPRIVE
>>>>>>>>>>>>> STATES OF A VALUABLE SOURCE OF LEADS DURING A TRANSITION PERIOD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do these all still work? I don't know. I can't currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>> test this as I am not a state chair right now. I hope someone is testing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this stuff. Based on all of the other monumental errors highlighted above,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly don't trust whoever oversaw the website transition to have done
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You all made a monumental error when you voted on this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> website. Please do whatever you can to minimize the damage and triage the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> website that is being butchered before your very eyes. I hope the lost
>>>>>>>>>>>>> content can be restored and the bugs can be fixed ASAP. Even if everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is fixed within the next week though, the timing is still horrendous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. See below for context on this botched website transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and eerily accurate prophesies from people with a clue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/00416
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Our website is a joke. I mean a real, horrible, laughable,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's 1996 and the www portion of the internet has just been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unleashed" joke. It's got ridiculous internal ads all over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terribly organized. It uses bad images. It has an outdated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> font, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great font colors, and antiquated font-spacing and sizing. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> barely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functions on mobile devices. It's full of information it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have. It conveys that we're not a serious organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/00428
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We want to do all of these things. So I'm asking you, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stop what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're doing for 30 seconds, reflect what could happen if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually tried to accomplish this one little task. What is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the WORST
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that could happen? We fail? We're in a very slightly worse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position than we already are? But now consider what is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BEST that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could happen? Maybe this tailspin of a cash hole we're in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stops.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would see that the LNC is doing something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAYBE people would have their morale boosted just a little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more inclined to donate. MAYBE we could use it as a way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leverage requesting donations from people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321872
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the worst that can happen? It's not $20,000 wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty stupid thinking there... accounting rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economics. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst that can happen is the site is much worse than before.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of content is removed. Lack of that content makes it much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harder to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energize prospects; get donations, volunteers, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> train libertarians on best practices. A new system requires
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retraining staff on processes — time that coupd have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other things. Even after retraining there will be a learning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curve...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extra time for website related tasks that could have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devoted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other things. Will conversion of new visitors go up with a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flashy styled website? Maybe, but it could also go down,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential cost. This is especially likely when the focus is on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design/style rather than the technical features under the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hood. When
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content is removed it may piss off current donors and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activists, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may reduce their donations and activism. Both content removal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transitions to a new system may lead some pages to be removed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved, breaking links to parts of the site from all around the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet and making us look unprofessional with 404 errors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sites often start out with a few bugs and errors which can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while to track down... the site may look less professional in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interim. Transitions can be botched, leading to downtime — at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst time in the election cycle for such downtime: the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campaign. Internal scripts that currently automatically shoot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state affiliates such as the volunteer form, the want to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate form, the info form, etc. may stop working, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deprive states of a valuable source of leads during a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> period. That's just what I could come up with off the top of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my head...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are probably a lot more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321907
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've launched many large scale sites just in the past year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single one of those sites had any of the problems you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to. They DID – when they were on our development and testing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> servers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> – but not when they went into production. That's how web
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> launches
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are done professionally. A thorough maintenance schedule
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be implemented and the website would be designed for minimal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintainability in the first place. ...also in accordance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322226
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, there is absolutely NO intention to remove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content from the website. This crowd has an astounding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spin half-truths and bake them into something entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will clarify specifically what is meant by moving them around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The FRONT PAGE of a website (for a non-profit, business, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other organization) is NOT to leave people with walls of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to create a fast and positive impression and to get a call to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having dozens and dozens of options is incredibly poor design,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly proven to be ineffective, and generally an archaic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website idea. The current website is not responsive; it does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well (and not at all in some cases) on mobile and tablet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322257
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great! Somehow in all your emails to the LNC (I read every LNC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business list email) you never mentioned anything about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition process. All you talk about is design/style.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can manage a transition process well, that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonderful. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly hasn't been done in the past. The transition from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FoxPro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Raiser's Edge was a disaster... it resulted in states not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working dumps for a year and a lot of records being screwed up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (e.g., deceased coming back to life, etc.). During the website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition a decade ago, the LNC meeting minutes archive and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Success 97 and Success 99 seminars were removed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the IT Committee discussion and report (pp. 15-16, pp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 51-59):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20061111.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there will be no transition hiccups, that's wonderful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still didn't address all the scripts on the website right now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the technical considerations Shane discussed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm concerned about giving management of the transition job
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talks about design/style, wants to remove content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (supposedly...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though I see you have now clarified that), and never mentions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transition plan to minimize problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's great that you're finally talking about a transition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan! It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not my fault it's the first I've heard of it though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are lots of people in the LP (myself included) who have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transitions mismanaged and are worried of a repeat of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disasters. We're not saying the sky is going to fall because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're saying the sky has fallen in the past, we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence of this, and you don't seem as on top of the process
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would hope to prevent similar problems. (You also seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institutional memory to be aware of these past issues.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter of you not communicating your transition plan and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not a matter of us being overly pessimistic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322261
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry you've had people half-ass these efforts in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely cannot say I'm surprised. I focus on style because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> external world, style IS the most important thing. This in no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means I neglect the engine, but in 20 years of delivering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nearly 100% of clients will respond positively to a broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that looks amazing over a badass functioning system that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks ugly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just psychology. Again, it doesn't mean it doesn't all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322267
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've found libertarians have a different psychology than much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world. The tech saavy folks will feel talked down to or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you only talk about style, ignoring tech under the hood. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideological folks will feel defensive if you malign content.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I fall
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in both categories, as do others on this thread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just something to keep in mind for the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stewart Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322926
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So they're creating a new website committee and giving it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to screw everything up without having to go back to the LNC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approval on which one of their pals they give the money to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322930
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they created a new committee with unlimited power over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website. Then they spent the whole time debating an irrelevant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $10,000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck Moulton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-na
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tional-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322938
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am hugely concerned about giving any one person carte
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blanche over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the website.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ========================================================
>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ========================================================
>>>> Kevin Ludlow
>>>> 512-773-3968
>>>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org');>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> ========================================================
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>> http://www.kevinludlow.com
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>
>
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> ========================================================
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--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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