[Lnc-business] Fw: Fw: Motion: Assemblyman Moore - request for co-sponsors

[Starchild]

	John, it's true that secret meetings (sometimes described using the euphemism "executive session") have been not uncommonly used by the Libertarian National Committee. This is one of the practices I had in mind when I noted that "we have often been too insular and too much of the opinion that we can't trust ordinary LP members with information." But even under LNC policies which I regard as flawed in allowing too much secrecy, the use of secret meetings is authorized only under narrow circumstances which I do not believe apply in this situation.

Love & Liberty,
                                    ((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
                                  (415) 625-FREE
                                    @StarchildSF


On Oct 30, 2016, at 3:46 PM, John Moore wrote:
> Hi Starchild,
> 
> The LNC as well as every other political organization use the "Executive session" to discuss issues in confidence behind closed doors so I consider my statement to the LNC in that manner.
> 
> Thanks,
> John John Moore 
> Nevada State Assembly
> 
> 
> On Oct 30, 2016 12:27 PM, "Starchild" <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 	You're welcome John, and good to hear from you. Not infrequently when someone asks to tell me something in confidence, I will let them know it's better that they not tell me, because I don't want to be bound to keeping something secret if it turns out to be something that I think ought to be made public, not to mention it means more mental work for me to try to keep track of what I'm not supposed to tell others! 
> 
> 	When it comes to representative organizations (of which the Libertarian Party is one), I believe in institutional transparency. I think secrecy is way overused, to the detriment of our party. Circumstances in which some members of a group have access to information that others do not tends to create a two-tiered or multi-tiered group in which insiders have more power, and that is anathema to bottom-up governance. One of the faults of party leadership, in my view, is that we have often been too insular and too much of the opinion that we can't trust ordinary LP members with information. 
> 
> 	If you feel it is productive to share your views about the Nevada LP leadership with members of the LNC, my opinion is that other party members also ought to have the benefit of hearing those views, and that if you feel they cannot productively be shared with members of the public, then it is probably not productive to share them with the LNC either and I would suggest you redact them from your statement before you send it to us. Please note that I'm not arguing either for redaction or for sharing with the world in this case – not knowing what you may have to say, there's no way for me to know whether I would consider it in the best interests of the party and movement that you keep this information to yourself, or make it known to a wider audience.
> 
> 	But if we were to agree to accept your statement on the condition of keeping it secret, we would be putting ourselves in the position of receiving negative input about other Libertarian Party members without those members knowing what was being said about them or having any opportunity to respond to the points being made, and that does not seem fair or desirable. If Nevada LP officials had come to us while we were debating whether to donate to your campaign, and given us information critical of you but asked that we keep it secret, my response would have been similar.
> 
> Love & Liberty,
>                                    ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                                 (415) 625-FREE
>                                    @StarchildSF
> 
> 
> On Oct 30, 2016, at 5:30 AM, John Moore wrote:
>> Thank you starchild for your response to my statement.  The reason I have it marked as "confidential" is for the statements that I made regarding the Nevada Libertarian party leadership. I respect your opinion and input on this issue.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> John Moore 
>> Nevada State Assembly
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 29, 2016 11:11 PM, "Starchild" <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 	Thanks Tim, that answers my question (i.e. he didn't say why he wants secrecy). Since votes on the motion are due Monday but that being Halloween I might forget if I wait until the last day, I'll probably vote tomorrow evening. If you (or John) have sent me the attached documents by then, I'll read them and take what he has to say into consideration when voting.
>> 
>> Love & Liberty,
>>                                    ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>                                 (415) 625-FREE
>>                                   @StarchildSF
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 10:53 PM, Tim Hagan wrote:
>> 
>>> This is the e-mail I received from John Moore, but with the attachments removed. The documents attached started with a statement that he considers it to be a confidential document to be shared only with the Libertarian National Committee as well as all contents of his statement.
>>> 
>>> Tim Hagan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>>> From: John Moore <john.moore at lpnevada.org>
>>> To: Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Fw: [Lnc-business] Motion: Assemblyman Moore - request for co-sponsors
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> 
>>> Please pass the attached documents to the LNC. Please do not disseminate the contents with anyone outside of the LNC.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> John Moore
>>> Nevada Assembly
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> John,
>>> 
>>> As you've probably already heard, many Libertarians are disappointed and perplexed about your votes during the special session. Caryn Ann Harlos is moving the motion below in the Libertarian National Committee concerning your votes in support of tax increases. Let me know if you have anything you wish me to pass on to the LNC. She and her co-sponsors are asking for an e-mail ballot, so the debate and votes will be via e-mail during the next ten days.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tim Hagan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>>>  
>>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@ hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 7:45 PM
>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> Subject: [Lnc-business] Motion: Assemblyman Moore - request for co-sponsors
>>>  
>>> Multiple party members including region 1 members have acted that the LNC take action regarding Assemblyman Moore. While normally, I would say that is solely an issue for the state party to handle, unless possibly, a Federal candidate, but in this case, we spent National Party member's direct monies, and thus I do agree this is our responsibility.  As someone who advocated for the funds allocation, I believe it is my responsibility to address this once members raised a concern:
>>>  
>>> Whereas Nevada Assemblyman John Moore, a former Republican who in January 2016 switched to the Libertarian Party while in office, has during the past month voted not once but twice in the span of as many days to raise taxes on his constituents, including a vote to support a "More Cops" tax which the Libertarian Party of Nevada has tirelessly and thus far successfully opposed, and a vote to provide a $750 million subsidy to finance a billionaire-owned sports stadium at the expense of, among others, indigent persons renting weekly rooms in motels; and
>>>  
>>> Whereas the elected leaders of our state affiliate party in Nevada have rightfully voted to censure Assemblyman Moore for these egregious votes; and
>>>  
>>> Whereas we wish to convey a strong message to all and sundry that while we welcome sitting legislators in the Republican or Democrat parties who decide to switch to the Libertarian Party as an act of conscience, we do not welcome them if they intend, as members of our party, to continue voting and acting like Republicans or Democrats;
>>>  
>>> Therefore be it resolved that the Libertarian National Committee hereby censures Assemblyman Moore for his recent votes in support of tax increases, requests that he return the $10,000 campaign contribution which the LNC this season voted to send him, and admonishes him to henceforward be a better champion of the values held by members of the political party with which he has chosen to affiliate if he intends to remain a Libertarian.
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>   
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