[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data loss)
Wes Benedict
wes.benedict at lp.org
Tue Nov 15 16:05:32 EST 2016
Ken, the Policy Manual is accessible here:
https://www.lp.org/lnc-meeting-archives/
And here's the direct link to the PDF:
https://d1pxvgfbl3s7lq.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/20160526_LNC_Policy_Manual.pdf
Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
On 11/15/2016 4:02 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Here is the most recent version of the Policy Manual that I have on my
> computer.
>
> And yes, every single document generated by a member of the party over
> the past 40 years must be on the web site for total transparency.
>
>
> Sam
>
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> Member at Large
> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
> Indianapolis IN 46260
> 317-850-0726 Phone
> 317-582-1773 Fax
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org
> <mailto:ken.moellman at lpky.org>> wrote:
>
> Wes, as soon as I get done with this 3PM call I'll reach out to you.
> ---
>
> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
>
> On 2016-11-15 14:18, Wes Benedict wrote:
>
>> Ken, the technical issues with the website definitely have not
>> been resolved.
>>
>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <tel:%28202%29%20333-0008%20ext.%20232>,wes.benedict at lp.org <mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org>
>> facebook.com/libertarians <http://facebook.com/libertarians> @LPNational
>> Join the Libertarian Party at:http://lp.org/membership
>> On 11/15/2016 2:09 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>>
>>> Caryn, et al -
>>> I believe the technical issues have been resolved with the
>>> website at this point. Things look like they're moving pretty
>>> quickly and cleanly.
>>> I know there are issues with the new website regarding content,
>>> and we definitely need to resolve them. Certainly we need to
>>> put meeting minutes back online, in compliance with the bylaws.
>>> Assuming the technical issues are resoled, I'm sure that will
>>> happen in the near future.
>>> But this brings up a larger issue: does everything from before
>>> need to be there? How far back do we go? Should every bit of
>>> content from the old site be available on the new site?
>>> Also, I still can't find the Policy Manual, so I don't know if
>>> APRC need to approve additions and/or subtractions from the
>>> website. If not the APRC, who decides when data expires?
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>
>>> On 2016-11-15 13:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>> No word yet on this missing data I suppose?
>>> I was directed to a link I needed for research and..... a 404
>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf
>>> <https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf>
>>> This is not acceptable.
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>>> Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas,
>>> Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>> , Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Moulton supplemented:
>>> LNC members,
>>>
>>> I want to follow up on this point. I was just looking
>>> at 404 errors before. In fact, the problem is much,
>>> much, much, much worse.
>>>
>>> The candidate listings that do exist (are not 404
>>> errors, were properly redirected) are mostly just stubs
>>> that include only their names.
>>>
>>> These are our statewide candidates in Pennsylvania:
>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/
>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/>
>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/
>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/>
>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/
>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/>
>>>
>>> It might be hard to tell they are our statewide
>>> candidates because their listings include only the
>>> following information:
>>> * LP logo
>>> * Name
>>>
>>> Their listings DO NOT INCLUDE any of the following
>>> information:
>>> * State
>>> * Office/district
>>> * Picture
>>> * Biography
>>> * Website link
>>> * Facebook
>>> * Twitter
>>> * Contact info
>>>
>>> If you think this problem is limited to states with less
>>> political connections, you are wrong.
>>>
>>> Here are a few listings from people running very active
>>> campaigns:
>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/
>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/>
>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/
>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/>
>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/
>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/>
>>>
>>> (Disclosure note: I donated to Aaron Starr's campaign.)
>>>
>>> Here are a few other candidates you may recognize:
>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/
>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/>
>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/
>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/> (404 error)
>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/
>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/>
>>>
>>> Here is one of the few candidate pages with actual
>>> information:
>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/
>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/>
>>>
>>> Note that even that trails off at the end... "As an
>>> experienced PhD petroleum engineer and former UT
>>> petroleum engineering faculty member, he will
>>> undoubtedly be the most qualified candidate on the
>>> November 201". Also the Facebook and Twitter links are
>>> broken. And it doesn't mention what office he is
>>> seeking. Nice that the LNC donated thousands of dollars
>>> to his campaign... too bad no one bothered to spend 5
>>> minutes fixing the errors in his candidate listing.
>>>
>>> Of course, his old page does not redirect:
>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/
>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/>
>>>
>>> John Moore is a 404 page:
>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/
>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/>
>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/
>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/>
>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/
>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/>
>>>
>>> As is Laura Ebke:
>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/
>>> <https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/>
>>>
>>> TODAY IS ELECTION DAY. What a wasted opportunity!!!
>>>
>>> Maybe if we hadn't shut down our working website 2 weeks
>>> before the election and replaced it with a buggy new
>>> website with 83% data loss and long load times (using a
>>> lot of precious staff time at their busiest period), we
>>> could have listed and promoted some of our candidates.
>>>
>>> Please, please, PLEASE exercise some actual oversight as
>>> a board and do something about the critical and
>>> embarrassing error torpedoing one of our greatest assets
>>> (on the eve of the election): our national lp.org
>>> <http://lp.org/> website.
>>>
>>> I've received feedback asking me if I was being over the
>>> top or facetious suggesting someone should be FIRED or
>>> REMOVED FROM THE LNC over this. I was not. I am
>>> completely serious. What was done to the website goes
>>> beyond a harmless error. It goes beyond reckless. It
>>> was NEGLIGENT. Someone should be held accountable for
>>> all the damage that has been done to the Libertarian
>>> Party -- an organization we all have poured time and
>>> money into for decades hoping to see it succeed.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your consideration.
>>>
>>> Chuck Moulton
>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>
>>> P.S. I voted proudly for Gary Johnson and the other
>>> Libertarians on the Pennsylvania ballot today.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> For the public's information. A ton of ideological
>>> links are, in fact, broken.
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: *Chuck Moulton* <chuck at moulton.org
>>> <mailto:chuck at moulton.org>>
>>> Date: Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: LP.org website transition - missing
>>> pages (83% data loss)
>>>
>>>
>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>
>>> What would be useful right now would be if you
>>> could point out the
>>> broken links so that we can assign permanent
>>> redirects to them.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links,
>>> we'd love to set up
>>> additional forwards.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kevin,
>>>
>>> Glad to help!
>>>
>>> Obviously, it is much easier for you to see what
>>> redirects need to be made, as you have access to the
>>> old website, the new website, and the 404 logs.
>>> However, you seem to be having trouble with this, so
>>> I'll provide you with the information you need.
>>>
>>> It would be very difficult to compile a list of all
>>> incoming links to lp.org <http://lp.org> without
>>> access to the server logs. Therefore, I used
>>> Google's search results, which is a reasonable proxy
>>> for outside links. I searched for "site:lp.org
>>> <http://lp.org>", then I did followup searches for
>>> all directories I found with "site:lp.org
>>> <http://lp.org> inurl:lp.org/blog
>>> <http://lp.org/blog>" (for example) because Google
>>> does not list all the results it has indexed without
>>> narrow searches. This netted 2,531 unique URLs
>>> indexed by Google. I wrote a program in Python to
>>> scrape that information.
>>>
>>> Next, Stewart Flood wrote a Perl program to check
>>> every URL on my list and find out whether it threw a
>>> 404 error. (He also checked for load times and
>>> other information, which we will highlight in a
>>> subsequent report.) Sorry this took so long...
>>> Stewart was busy watching the World Series. We
>>> re-ran the script several times this week to see if
>>> staff added any redirects... they only added one
>>> page: /contribute. The program can be re-run at any
>>> time to track what's been added. Not all of the
>>> missing URLs should necessarily be carried forward,
>>> but a lot of historical information is no longer
>>> present.
>>>
>>> Our results are included in the attachments. (Note:
>>> In the summary page, these are groupings by
>>> directory, not the actual URLs.)
>>>
>>> Basically, 83% of the webpages indexed by Google
>>> have not been carried over or properly redirected.
>>>
>>>
>>> In liberty,
>>>
>>> Chuck Moulton
>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>> 2006-2008 IT Committee Chair
>>>
>>> Stewart Flood
>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>> 2008-2012 IT Committee Chair
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>>> Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii,
>>> Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of
>>> Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>>> Radical Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana,
>>> Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical
>>> Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>>> Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
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