[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data loss)

Wes Benedict wes.benedict at lp.org
Tue Nov 15 16:05:32 EST 2016


Ken, the Policy Manual is accessible here: 
https://www.lp.org/lnc-meeting-archives/

And here's the direct link to the PDF:

https://d1pxvgfbl3s7lq.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/20160526_LNC_Policy_Manual.pdf


Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

On 11/15/2016 4:02 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Here is the most recent version of the Policy Manual that I have on my
> computer.
>
> And yes, every single document generated by a member of the party over
> the past 40 years must be on the web site for total transparency.
>
>
> Sam
>
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> Member at Large
> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
> Indianapolis IN 46260
> 317-850-0726 Phone
> 317-582-1773 Fax
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org 
> <mailto:ken.moellman at lpky.org>> wrote:
>
>     Wes, as soon as I get done with this 3PM call I'll reach out to you.
>     ---
>
>     Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>     LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>     LPKY Judicial Committee
>
>     On 2016-11-15 14:18, Wes Benedict wrote:
>
>>     Ken, the technical issues with the website definitely have not
>>     been resolved.
>>
>>     Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>     Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>     1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>     (202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <tel:%28202%29%20333-0008%20ext.%20232>,wes.benedict at lp.org <mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>     facebook.com/libertarians <http://facebook.com/libertarians>  @LPNational
>>     Join the Libertarian Party at:http://lp.org/membership
>>     On 11/15/2016 2:09 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>>
>>>     Caryn, et al -
>>>     I believe the technical issues have been resolved with the
>>>     website at this point. Things look like they're moving pretty
>>>     quickly and cleanly.
>>>     I know there are issues with the new website regarding content,
>>>     and we definitely need to resolve them.  Certainly we need to
>>>     put meeting minutes back online, in compliance with the bylaws.
>>>     Assuming the technical issues are resoled, I'm sure that will
>>>     happen in the near future.
>>>     But this brings up a larger issue: does everything from before
>>>     need to be there?  How far back do we go? Should every bit of
>>>     content from the old site be available on the new site?
>>>     Also, I still can't find the Policy Manual, so I don't know if
>>>     APRC need to approve additions and/or subtractions from the
>>>     website. If not the APRC, who decides when data expires?
>>>     ---
>>>
>>>     Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>     LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>     LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>
>>>     On 2016-11-15 13:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>>         No word yet on this missing data I suppose?
>>>         I was directed to a link I needed for research and..... a 404
>>>         https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf
>>>         <https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf>
>>>         This is not acceptable.
>>>         -- 
>>>         *In Liberty,*
>>>         *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>         Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>>>         Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas,
>>>         Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>         Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>         <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>         Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>         <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>         , Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>         Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>         <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>         Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>         <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>         On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>         <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>>
>>>         wrote:
>>>
>>>             Moulton supplemented:
>>>             LNC members,
>>>
>>>             I want to follow up on this point.  I was just looking
>>>             at 404 errors before. In fact, the problem is much,
>>>             much, much, much worse.
>>>
>>>             The candidate listings that do exist (are not 404
>>>             errors, were properly redirected) are mostly just stubs
>>>             that include only their names.
>>>
>>>             These are our statewide candidates in Pennsylvania:
>>>             https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/
>>>             <https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/>
>>>             https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/
>>>             <https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/>
>>>             https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/
>>>             <https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/>
>>>
>>>             It might be hard to tell they are our statewide
>>>             candidates because their listings include only the
>>>             following information:
>>>             * LP logo
>>>             * Name
>>>
>>>             Their listings DO NOT INCLUDE any of the following
>>>             information:
>>>             * State
>>>             * Office/district
>>>             * Picture
>>>             * Biography
>>>             * Website link
>>>             * Facebook
>>>             * Twitter
>>>             * Contact info
>>>
>>>             If you think this problem is limited to states with less
>>>             political connections, you are wrong.
>>>
>>>             Here are a few listings from people running very active
>>>             campaigns:
>>>             https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/
>>>             <https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/>
>>>             https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/
>>>             <https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/>
>>>             https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/
>>>             <https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/>
>>>
>>>             (Disclosure note: I donated to Aaron Starr's campaign.)
>>>
>>>             Here are a few other candidates you may recognize:
>>>             https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/
>>>             <https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/>
>>>             https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/
>>>             <https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/> (404 error)
>>>             https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/
>>>             <https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/>
>>>
>>>             Here is one of the few candidate pages with actual
>>>             information:
>>>             https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/
>>>             <https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/>
>>>
>>>             Note that even that trails off at the end... "As an
>>>             experienced PhD petroleum engineer and former UT
>>>             petroleum engineering faculty member, he will
>>>             undoubtedly be the most qualified candidate on the
>>>             November 201".  Also the Facebook and Twitter links are
>>>             broken.  And it doesn't mention what office he is
>>>             seeking.  Nice that the LNC donated thousands of dollars
>>>             to his campaign... too bad no one bothered to spend 5
>>>             minutes fixing the errors in his candidate listing.
>>>
>>>             Of course, his old page does not redirect:
>>>             https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/
>>>             <https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/>
>>>
>>>             John Moore is a 404 page:
>>>             https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/
>>>             <https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/>
>>>             https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/
>>>             <https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/>
>>>             https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/
>>>             <https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/>
>>>
>>>             As is Laura Ebke:
>>>             https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/
>>>             <https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/>
>>>
>>>             TODAY IS ELECTION DAY.  What a wasted opportunity!!!
>>>
>>>             Maybe if we hadn't shut down our working website 2 weeks
>>>             before the election and replaced it with a buggy new
>>>             website with 83% data loss and long load times (using a
>>>             lot of precious staff time at their busiest period), we
>>>             could have listed and promoted some of our candidates.
>>>
>>>             Please, please, PLEASE exercise some actual oversight as
>>>             a board and do something about the critical and
>>>             embarrassing error torpedoing one of our greatest assets
>>>             (on the eve of the election): our national lp.org
>>>             <http://lp.org/> website.
>>>
>>>             I've received feedback asking me if I was being over the
>>>             top or facetious suggesting someone should be FIRED or
>>>             REMOVED FROM THE LNC over this. I was not.  I am
>>>             completely serious.  What was done to the website goes
>>>             beyond a harmless error.  It goes beyond reckless.  It
>>>             was NEGLIGENT.  Someone should be held accountable for
>>>             all the damage that has been done to the Libertarian
>>>             Party -- an organization we all have poured time and
>>>             money into for decades hoping to see it succeed.
>>>
>>>             Thank you for your consideration.
>>>
>>>             Chuck Moulton
>>>             Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>
>>>             P.S. I voted proudly for Gary Johnson and the other
>>>             Libertarians on the Pennsylvania ballot today.
>>>
>>>             On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>             <carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>>             <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 For the public's information.  A ton of ideological
>>>                 links are, in fact, broken.
>>>
>>>                 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>                 From: *Chuck Moulton* <chuck at moulton.org
>>>                 <mailto:chuck at moulton.org>>
>>>                 Date: Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:21 PM
>>>                 Subject: Re: LP.org website transition - missing
>>>                 pages (83% data loss)
>>>
>>>
>>>                 Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>
>>>                     What would be useful right now would be if you
>>>                     could point out the
>>>                     broken links so that we can assign permanent
>>>                     redirects to them.
>>>
>>>                     [...]
>>>
>>>                     So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links,
>>>                     we'd love to set up
>>>                     additional forwards.
>>>
>>>
>>>                 Kevin,
>>>
>>>                 Glad to help!
>>>
>>>                 Obviously, it is much easier for you to see what
>>>                 redirects need to be made, as you have access to the
>>>                 old website, the new website, and the 404 logs. 
>>>                 However, you seem to be having trouble with this, so
>>>                 I'll provide you with the information you need.
>>>
>>>                 It would be very difficult to compile a list of all
>>>                 incoming links to lp.org <http://lp.org> without
>>>                 access to the server logs.  Therefore, I used
>>>                 Google's search results, which is a reasonable proxy
>>>                 for outside links.  I searched for "site:lp.org
>>>                 <http://lp.org>", then I did followup searches for
>>>                 all directories I found with "site:lp.org
>>>                 <http://lp.org> inurl:lp.org/blog
>>>                 <http://lp.org/blog>" (for example) because Google
>>>                 does not list all the results it has indexed without
>>>                 narrow searches.  This netted 2,531 unique URLs
>>>                 indexed by Google.  I wrote a program in Python to
>>>                 scrape that information.
>>>
>>>                 Next, Stewart Flood wrote a Perl program to check
>>>                 every URL on my list and find out whether it threw a
>>>                 404 error.  (He also checked for load times and
>>>                 other information, which we will highlight in a
>>>                 subsequent report.) Sorry this took so long...
>>>                 Stewart was busy watching the World Series.  We
>>>                 re-ran the script several times this week to see if
>>>                 staff added any redirects... they only added one
>>>                 page: /contribute.  The program can be re-run at any
>>>                 time to track what's been added.  Not all of the
>>>                 missing URLs should necessarily be carried forward,
>>>                 but a lot of historical information is no longer
>>>                 present.
>>>
>>>                 Our results are included in the attachments. (Note:
>>>                 In the summary page, these are groupings by
>>>                 directory, not the actual URLs.)
>>>
>>>                 Basically, 83% of the webpages indexed by Google
>>>                 have not been carried over or properly redirected.
>>>
>>>
>>>                 In liberty,
>>>
>>>                 Chuck Moulton
>>>                 Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>                 2006-2008 IT Committee Chair
>>>
>>>                 Stewart Flood
>>>                 Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>                 2008-2012 IT Committee Chair
>>>
>>>
>>>                 -- 
>>>                 *In Liberty,*
>>>                 *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>                 Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>>>                 Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii,
>>>                 Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>>                 Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>                 <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>                 Communications Director, Libertarian Party of
>>>                 Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>                 Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>>>                 Radical Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             -- 
>>>             *In Liberty,*
>>>             *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>             Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>             (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana,
>>>             Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>             <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>             Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>             <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>             Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical
>>>             Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         -- 
>>>         *In Liberty,*
>>>         *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>         Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>         (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
>>>         Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>         <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>         Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>         <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>         Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>         <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
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