[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data loss)

Tue Nov 15 17:47:15 EST 2016

Wes, let me check and get back with you.  Heading out for a bit.

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org> wrote:

> Caryn, for any failures to comply with bylaws via document posting, I can
> do a quick workaround to post files in a temporary manner if we don't have
> them posted through normal channels by this Friday.
>
> Remind me, is is just the LNC meeting minutes not being posted that are
> the bylaws violation? If there are other things violating the bylaws,
> please send me a note with those again. Thanks,
>
>
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.orgfacebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>
> On 11/15/2016 5:06 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> Sam - while clever - there is absolutely zero reason we should have data
> loss simply because we have a new site.  That must be a conscious LNC
> decision.  I do not intend on letting this drop.
>
> Further - and as you know because I was one of the loudest complaining
> members - members were assured that there would be no content culling.
> Members then expressed skepticism at that promise and felt they were being
> a fed a load of hooey.
>
> Let's not show that they in fact were.
>
> The look of the site is nice.  The ideological rebranding and the loss of
> content is precisely what members were promised would not happen.
>
> Unless the LNC makes some decision on this to settle it- and then members
> can act accordingly - I have zero intention of letting this drop.
>
> This is unacceptable and against all assurances given to our members.
>
> I will note well that a lot of that content was generated and put up by
> paid staff.  Paid by members.  And now gone.
>
> Grumpy cat says nope.
>
> To answer Ken's question.  Unless we are going to concede the LNC and
> website committee lied to members, then no one can make a decision to omit
> content.  And in any event that is not APRC.  APRC could potentially
> require that this Bylaws violation be done before anything else.  But the
> rest is outside their scope.
>
> This is an LNC level decision.
>
> Just like the purposeful masthead rebranding.
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Here is the most recent version of the Policy Manual that I have on my
>> computer.
>>
>> And yes, every single document generated by a member of the party over
>> the past 40 years must be on the web site for total transparency.
>>
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> Sam Goldstein
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> Member at Large
>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Wes, as soon as I get done with this 3PM call I'll reach out to you.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2016-11-15 14:18, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>
>>> Ken, the technical issues with the website definitely have not been
>>> resolved.
>>>
>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.orgfacebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>
>>> On 11/15/2016 2:09 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Caryn, et al -
>>>
>>> I believe the technical issues have been resolved with the website at
>>> this point. Things look like they're moving pretty quickly and cleanly.
>>>
>>> I know there are issues with the new website regarding content, and we
>>> definitely need to resolve them.  Certainly we need to put meeting minutes
>>> back online, in compliance with the bylaws. Assuming the technical issues
>>> are resoled, I'm sure that will happen in the near future.
>>>
>>> But this brings up a larger issue: does everything from before need to
>>> be there?  How far back do we go? Should every bit of content from the old
>>> site be available on the new site?
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, I still can't find the Policy Manual, so I don't know if APRC need
>>> to approve additions and/or subtractions from the website.  If not the
>>> APRC, who decides when data expires?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2016-11-15 13:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>> No word yet on this missing data I suppose?
>>>
>>> I was directed to a link I needed for research and..... a 404
>>>
>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf
>>>
>>> This is not acceptable.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> , Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Moulton supplemented:
>>>>
>>>> LNC members,
>>>>
>>>> I want to follow up on this point.  I was just looking at 404 errors
>>>> before.  In fact, the problem is much, much, much, much worse.
>>>>
>>>> The candidate listings that do exist (are not 404 errors, were properly
>>>> redirected) are mostly just stubs that include only their names.
>>>>
>>>> These are our statewide candidates in Pennsylvania:
>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/
>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/
>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/
>>>>
>>>> It might be hard to tell they are our statewide candidates because
>>>> their listings include only the following information:
>>>> * LP logo
>>>> * Name
>>>>
>>>> Their listings DO NOT INCLUDE any of the following information:
>>>> * State
>>>> * Office/district
>>>> * Picture
>>>> * Biography
>>>> * Website link
>>>> * Facebook
>>>> * Twitter
>>>> * Contact info
>>>>
>>>> If you think this problem is limited to states with less political
>>>> connections, you are wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Here are a few listings from people running very active campaigns:
>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/
>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/
>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/
>>>>
>>>> (Disclosure note: I donated to Aaron Starr's campaign.)
>>>>
>>>> Here are a few other candidates you may recognize:
>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/
>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/ (404 error)
>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/
>>>>
>>>> Here is one of the few candidate pages with actual information:
>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/
>>>>
>>>> Note that even that trails off at the end... "As an experienced PhD
>>>> petroleum engineer and former UT petroleum engineering faculty member, he
>>>> will undoubtedly be the most qualified candidate on the November 201".
>>>> Also the Facebook and Twitter links are broken.  And it doesn't mention
>>>> what office he is seeking.  Nice that the LNC donated thousands of dollars
>>>> to his campaign... too bad no one bothered to spend 5 minutes fixing the
>>>> errors in his candidate listing.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, his old page does not redirect:
>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/
>>>>
>>>> John Moore is a 404 page:
>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/
>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/
>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/
>>>>
>>>> As is Laura Ebke:
>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/
>>>>
>>>> TODAY IS ELECTION DAY.  What a wasted opportunity!!!
>>>>
>>>> Maybe if we hadn't shut down our working website 2 weeks before the
>>>> election and replaced it with a buggy new website with 83% data loss and
>>>> long load times (using a lot of precious staff time at their busiest
>>>> period), we could have listed and promoted some of our candidates.
>>>>
>>>> Please, please, PLEASE exercise some actual oversight as a board and do
>>>> something about the critical and embarrassing error torpedoing one of our
>>>> greatest assets (on the eve of the election): our national lp.org
>>>>  website.
>>>>
>>>> I've received feedback asking me if I was being over the top or
>>>> facetious suggesting someone should be FIRED or REMOVED FROM THE LNC over
>>>> this.  I was not.  I am completely serious.  What was done to the website
>>>> goes beyond a harmless error.  It goes beyond reckless.  It was NEGLIGENT.
>>>> Someone should be held accountable for all the damage that has been done to
>>>> the Libertarian Party -- an organization we all have poured time and money
>>>> into for decades hoping to see it succeed.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your consideration.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>
>>>> P.S. I voted proudly for Gary Johnson and the other Libertarians on the
>>>> Pennsylvania ballot today.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For the public's information.  A ton of ideological links are, in
>>>>> fact, broken.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Chuck Moulton <chuck at moulton.org>
>>>>> Date: Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:21 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data loss)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What would be useful right now would be if you could point out the
>>>>>> broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd love to set up
>>>>>> additional forwards.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin,
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to help!
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously, it is much easier for you to see what redirects need to be
>>>>> made, as you have access to the old website, the new website, and the 404
>>>>> logs.  However, you seem to be having trouble with this, so I'll provide
>>>>> you with the information you need.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be very difficult to compile a list of all incoming links to
>>>>> lp.org without access to the server logs.  Therefore, I used Google's
>>>>> search results, which is a reasonable proxy for outside links.  I searched
>>>>> for "site:lp.org", then I did followup searches for all directories I
>>>>> found with "site:lp.org inurl:lp.org/blog" (for example) because
>>>>> Google does not list all the results it has indexed without narrow
>>>>> searches.  This netted 2,531 unique URLs indexed by Google.  I wrote a
>>>>> program in Python to scrape that information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next, Stewart Flood wrote a Perl program to check every URL on my list
>>>>> and find out whether it threw a 404 error.  (He also checked for load times
>>>>> and other information, which we will highlight in a subsequent report.)
>>>>> Sorry this took so long... Stewart was busy watching the World Series.  We
>>>>> re-ran the script several times this week to see if staff added any
>>>>> redirects... they only added one page: /contribute.  The program can be
>>>>> re-run at any time to track what's been added.  Not all of the missing URLs
>>>>> should necessarily be carried forward, but a lot of historical information
>>>>> is no longer present.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our results are included in the attachments.  (Note: In the summary
>>>>> page, these are groupings by directory, not the actual URLs.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically, 83% of the webpages indexed by Google have not been carried
>>>>> over or properly redirected.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In liberty,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>> 2006-2008 IT Committee Chair
>>>>>
>>>>> Stewart Flood
>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>> 2008-2012 IT Committee Chair
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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