[Lnc-business] LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data loss)

Brett Bittner brett.bittner at lp.org
Tue Nov 15 18:20:24 EST 2016 

As Chair of the APRC, I can say that all new content was considered far
ahead of the launch date, Sam.

Brett

**This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos.

On Nov 15, 2016 18:04, "Starchild" <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Sam,
>
> I don't know of any volunteers who are working harder than Caryn
> herself. I think her concerns are spot on. Yet rather than giving her
> credit for being diligent, you appear to verge on calling her paranoid, and
> insist that all the missing content will "eventually" appear on the new
> site.
>
> I know you have often opposed transparency, but would you find this sort
> of indefinite schedule acceptable in another context – if for instance you
> were given a vague assurance by someone expressing confidence that you
> would "eventually" get paid for work you performed? Somehow I doubt it. Why
> should we take the content on the Libertarian Party's website any less
> seriously than one person getting paid?
>
> Love & Liberty,
>                                    ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                                 (415) 625-FREE
>                                   @StarchildSF
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>
> Caryn Ann,
>
> Even paranoids have enemies but I doubt that this is the case.  As Wes
> points out, it is merely
> a matter of prioritizing time following an extremely busy election season.
>
>
> I'm sure that all missing information will eventually appear on the
> wonderful new web site it might
> just take a while.I didn't realize that the APRC has to approve every
> single page which I'm sure is
> causing some major delays.
>
> Why is it that every time something like this come up you think the worst
> of everyone involved instead
> of giving credit to some very hard work being done both publically and
> behind the scenes?
>
> Sam
>
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> Member at Large
> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
> Indianapolis IN 46260
> 317-850-0726 Phone
> 317-582-1773 Fax
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Caryn, for any failures to comply with bylaws via document posting, I can
>> do a quick workaround to post files in a temporary manner if we don't have
>> them posted through normal channels by this Friday.
>>
>> Remind me, is is just the LNC meeting minutes not being posted that are
>> the bylaws violation? If there are other things violating the bylaws,
>> please send me a note with those again. Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.orgfacebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>
>> On 11/15/2016 5:06 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>> Sam - while clever - there is absolutely zero reason we should have data
>> loss simply because we have a new site.  That must be a conscious LNC
>> decision.  I do not intend on letting this drop.
>>
>> Further - and as you know because I was one of the loudest complaining
>> members - members were assured that there would be no content culling.
>> Members then expressed skepticism at that promise and felt they were being
>> a fed a load of hooey.
>>
>> Let's not show that they in fact were.
>>
>> The look of the site is nice.  The ideological rebranding and the loss of
>> content is precisely what members were promised would not happen.
>>
>> Unless the LNC makes some decision on this to settle it- and then members
>> can act accordingly - I have zero intention of letting this drop.
>>
>> This is unacceptable and against all assurances given to our members.
>>
>> I will note well that a lot of that content was generated and put up by
>> paid staff.  Paid by members.  And now gone.
>>
>> Grumpy cat says nope.
>>
>> To answer Ken's question.  Unless we are going to concede the LNC and
>> website committee lied to members, then no one can make a decision to omit
>> content.  And in any event that is not APRC.  APRC could potentially
>> require that this Bylaws violation be done before anything else.  But the
>> rest is outside their scope.
>>
>> This is an LNC level decision.
>>
>> Just like the purposeful masthead rebranding.
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken,
>>>
>>> Here is the most recent version of the Policy Manual that I have on my
>>> computer.
>>>
>>> And yes, every single document generated by a member of the party over
>>> the past 40 years must be on the web site for total transparency.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> Member at Large
>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wes, as soon as I get done with this 3PM call I'll reach out to you.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2016-11-15 14:18, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ken, the technical issues with the website definitely have not been
>>>> resolved.
>>>>
>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.orgfacebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>
>>>> On 11/15/2016 2:09 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Caryn, et al -
>>>>
>>>> I believe the technical issues have been resolved with the website at
>>>> this point. Things look like they're moving pretty quickly and cleanly.
>>>>
>>>> I know there are issues with the new website regarding content, and we
>>>> definitely need to resolve them.  Certainly we need to put meeting minutes
>>>> back online, in compliance with the bylaws. Assuming the technical issues
>>>> are resoled, I'm sure that will happen in the near future.
>>>>
>>>> But this brings up a larger issue: does everything from before need to
>>>> be there?  How far back do we go? Should every bit of content from the old
>>>> site be available on the new site?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, I still can't find the Policy Manual, so I don't know if APRC
>>>> need to approve additions and/or subtractions from the website.  If not the
>>>> APRC, who decides when data expires?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2016-11-15 13:56, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No word yet on this missing data I suppose?
>>>>
>>>> I was directed to a link I needed for research and..... a 404
>>>>
>>>> https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20040814.pdf
>>>>
>>>> This is not acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> , Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Moulton supplemented:
>>>>>
>>>>> LNC members,
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to follow up on this point.  I was just looking at 404 errors
>>>>> before.  In fact, the problem is much, much, much, much worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> The candidate listings that do exist (are not 404 errors, were
>>>>> properly redirected) are mostly just stubs that include only their names.
>>>>>
>>>>> These are our statewide candidates in Pennsylvania:
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/
>>>>>
>>>>> It might be hard to tell they are our statewide candidates because
>>>>> their listings include only the following information:
>>>>> * LP logo
>>>>> * Name
>>>>>
>>>>> Their listings DO NOT INCLUDE any of the following information:
>>>>> * State
>>>>> * Office/district
>>>>> * Picture
>>>>> * Biography
>>>>> * Website link
>>>>> * Facebook
>>>>> * Twitter
>>>>> * Contact info
>>>>>
>>>>> If you think this problem is limited to states with less political
>>>>> connections, you are wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are a few listings from people running very active campaigns:
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/
>>>>>
>>>>> (Disclosure note: I donated to Aaron Starr's campaign.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are a few other candidates you may recognize:
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/ (404 error)
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is one of the few candidate pages with actual information:
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that even that trails off at the end... "As an experienced PhD
>>>>> petroleum engineer and former UT petroleum engineering faculty member, he
>>>>> will undoubtedly be the most qualified candidate on the November 201".
>>>>> Also the Facebook and Twitter links are broken.  And it doesn't mention
>>>>> what office he is seeking.  Nice that the LNC donated thousands of dollars
>>>>> to his campaign... too bad no one bothered to spend 5 minutes fixing the
>>>>> errors in his candidate listing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, his old page does not redirect:
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/
>>>>>
>>>>> John Moore is a 404 page:
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/
>>>>>
>>>>> As is Laura Ebke:
>>>>> https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/
>>>>>
>>>>> TODAY IS ELECTION DAY.  What a wasted opportunity!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe if we hadn't shut down our working website 2 weeks before the
>>>>> election and replaced it with a buggy new website with 83% data loss and
>>>>> long load times (using a lot of precious staff time at their busiest
>>>>> period), we could have listed and promoted some of our candidates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please, please, PLEASE exercise some actual oversight as a board and
>>>>> do something about the critical and embarrassing error torpedoing one of
>>>>> our greatest assets (on the eve of the election): our national lp.org
>>>>>  website.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've received feedback asking me if I was being over the top or
>>>>> facetious suggesting someone should be FIRED or REMOVED FROM THE LNC over
>>>>> this.  I was not.  I am completely serious.  What was done to the website
>>>>> goes beyond a harmless error.  It goes beyond reckless.  It was NEGLIGENT.
>>>>> Someone should be held accountable for all the damage that has been done to
>>>>> the Libertarian Party -- an organization we all have poured time and money
>>>>> into for decades hoping to see it succeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your consideration.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. I voted proudly for Gary Johnson and the other Libertarians on
>>>>> the Pennsylvania ballot today.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For the public's information.  A ton of ideological links are, in
>>>>>> fact, broken.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Chuck Moulton <chuck at moulton.org>
>>>>>> Date: Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:21 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: LP.org website transition - missing pages (83% data
>>>>>> loss)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin Ludlow wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What would be useful right now would be if you could point out the
>>>>>>> broken links so that we can assign permanent redirects to them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So anyway, if you'd like to submit broken links, we'd love to set up
>>>>>>> additional forwards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kevin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glad to help!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously, it is much easier for you to see what redirects need to be
>>>>>> made, as you have access to the old website, the new website, and the 404
>>>>>> logs.  However, you seem to be having trouble with this, so I'll provide
>>>>>> you with the information you need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be very difficult to compile a list of all incoming links to
>>>>>> lp.org without access to the server logs.  Therefore, I used
>>>>>> Google's search results, which is a reasonable proxy for outside links.  I
>>>>>> searched for "site:lp.org", then I did followup searches for all
>>>>>> directories I found with "site:lp.org inurl:lp.org/blog" (for
>>>>>> example) because Google does not list all the results it has indexed
>>>>>> without narrow searches.  This netted 2,531 unique URLs indexed by Google.
>>>>>> I wrote a program in Python to scrape that information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next, Stewart Flood wrote a Perl program to check every URL on my
>>>>>> list and find out whether it threw a 404 error.  (He also checked for load
>>>>>> times and other information, which we will highlight in a subsequent
>>>>>> report.)  Sorry this took so long... Stewart was busy watching the World
>>>>>> Series.  We re-ran the script several times this week to see if staff added
>>>>>> any redirects... they only added one page: /contribute.  The program can be
>>>>>> re-run at any time to track what's been added.  Not all of the missing URLs
>>>>>> should necessarily be carried forward, but a lot of historical information
>>>>>> is no longer present.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our results are included in the attachments.  (Note: In the summary
>>>>>> page, these are groupings by directory, not the actual URLs.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Basically, 83% of the webpages indexed by Google have not been
>>>>>> carried over or properly redirected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In liberty,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chuck Moulton
>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>> 2006-2008 IT Committee Chair
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stewart Flood
>>>>>> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party
>>>>>> 2008-2012 IT Committee Chair
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
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