[Lnc-business] Added Mortgage Payment

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

No it doesn't.  We have the 100K from the bequest that isn't part of our
fundraising windfall.  We have the deficit from the last payment to catch
up- putting us st around 150K.  Our policy manual - urges us- on our own-
to get ahead.  Putting the extra amount ahead is what is reasonable and
what I will be supporting.

No one has suggested there is not money for other things and this insures
saved money for other things.  We can do a fundraiser next year with our
fiscally responsible choice in Dec as a selling point centerpiece.



-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>






-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>




On Monday, November 28, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ken.moellman at lpky.org');>> wrote:

>
> I guess it depends on who your target audience is.  When I walk into a
> shop and their IT infrastructure is a decade old, my immediate thought is
> that the company doesn't have their priorities in order.  Certainly, I'm
> biased in that regard.  Smaller manufacturing businesses are notorious from
> being way out of date.
>
> The Democratic Party provides websites for their candidates for a nominal
> fee. Why?  Because that way campaigns can focus on issues and real
> politicking, not spending excessive amounts of time on back-office work.
> They're out knocking on doors and building their base.
>
> The Republican Party, through the Kochs, is building a massive database of
> voters for their Big Data project. Why?  Because that way they know what
> issues drive voters. They can micro-target messaging, making their outreach
> and GOTV more efficient.
>
> The Libertarian Party currently has a mailing list that sends everything
> to a Google list so that people can subscribe to the Google list to watch.
>
> If we are to appeal to the Millenial generation, we can't be running on a
> 286 in a basement.  Once upon a time, the LP was ahead of the game when it
> came to technology.  We have stagnated and let our competition overtake us.
> If our primary political opponents are crushing us on the phones and at the
> door, how do we ever expect to win?
>
> When I became chair of LPKY in 2007, we had no IT infrastructure. We had a
> website that was put in place by the previous chair, that cost too much
> money, was poorly organized, and didn't do the job.  Thankfully, the
> situation isn't exactly parallel - while there are problems, we don't have
> to start over from scratch. But it will take time and investment to get the
> website to where it needs to be. That will happen.  Likewise, other parts
> of our operation need to have similar focus.
>
> I'm all about paying down debt. I absolutely love it, conceptually. I just
> don't want to see us cripple the party in 2017 in order to achieve the goal
> of paying off that debt.
>
> So here's what I'd propose, if we want to put over $200K toward the
> mortgage. Let's do a 2-for-1 donation match. We put $60K in the budget, as
> required. Subtracted from the proposed $207,500, that leaves $147,500. For
> ease of numbers, let's round that up to $50,000.  So, if we can raise
> $50,000 specifically for paying off the building, we will put $100,000 as
> the match.  Let's let our membership determine the projects on which they
> want us to spend the money.
>
> Does that seem reasonable?
>
> ---
>
> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
>
>
>
> On 2016-11-28 08:31, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> I would further note- if we make this payment now and make NO additional
> payments (which I do not support) because the 60k is needed next year (odd
> numbered year) - we will have freed future Libertarians from the balloon
> payment AND an amount in interest that would pay a good chunk of a ballot
> access drive.  In every scenario, this is the right choice.  And we would
> have only two more policy manual extra payments - 2017 and 2019- and the
> mortgage would be paid in full just by the 2020 election- a fantastic
> example for others.  We will have set up the next LNC for success.
>
> And our fiscal responsibility can be used in our new member retention
> program as they can trust we are wise with funds.
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> There is no proposal to spend "all" of the discretionary monies.
>>
>> And Hagan pointed out this is a way we can have access to the bulk of a
>> bequest that the donor certainly wished we had access to.
>>
>> The bequest money isn't available in that amount now for this OR that.
>> It is available for this.
>>
>> Hagan's last option is the most prudent and responsible and does not
>> require anything like an "all" scenario and doesn't burden the next decade
>> of Libertarians with interest that the policy manual urged us to avoid in
>> making more than the 60K extra- and here with the bequest we have the
>> opportunity to access over 100K and have an unexpected windfall in new
>> members.
>>
>> If any other priority is given as well - new member retention must be up
>> there as mentioned in emails leading up to the Sept meeting.
>>
>> As for the website - well members were told that in 2006 too, and that
>> data is still waiting.
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My goal isn't to pull something over on people.  If nothing else, know
>>> that I am open with my personal thoughts on matters -- as you may have
>>> noticed -- and I'm not trying to hide anything. I'm a Libertarian; I don't
>>> believe in using force or fraud.
>>>
>>> There are other IT issues beyond the website that I dare not mention on
>>> a public list; things that range from embarrassing to disabling. I'll be
>>> more than happy to discuss these issues in person in December.
>>>
>>> The new IT committee is taking over from a previous committee with an
>>> entirely different personnel makeup.  The new IT Committee, such as it
>>> exists at the moment, is far from ignoring the calls for repairs and
>>> changes to the website. This is a priority of everyone involved.  This is
>>> currently being done under staff direction, and they are working on it.
>>> The website continues to be populated with important information, and will
>>> continue to evolve and have more information added/returned, in addition to
>>> other important website changes. (Ironically, I was trying to find out
>>> exactly when the building was purchased and couldn't because that
>>> information wasn't brought over. Heh.)  In sum, the website will get fixed
>>> to the best of our ability.
>>>
>>> But if all the discretionary income gets spent on the mortgage (which is
>>> not the worst way to spend it) then there won't be an opportunity to get
>>> other fixes in place.  And that's just IT.  I know there are Ballot Access
>>> drives in our future in 2017 - Arkansas and Ohio, specifically - and those
>>> won't be cheap.  Arkansas will be about $37,500 and Ohio will be about
>>> $255,000, based on 2016 validity rates and assuming no volunteer signatures
>>> or other sources of funding (which there will be, of course).
>>>
>>> In my opinion, we need to really leverage 2016 to get a record-breaking
>>> amount of fundraising in the "after-year".
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2016-11-27 23:26, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>> Now that wasn't the entirety of my argument, but I am not getting into
>>> another LNC spitting match.  Interested members and readers can go through
>>> my comments and see what I said- the policy manual was a big part, but a
>>> part and not the entirety.  It is indeed less out of date then than now.
>>> And something obviously know as the passage of time and aging is a known
>>> quantity.  As is debt and interest, something Libertarians are supposed to
>>> model fiscal responsibilities for.  And having not transferred 83% of our
>>> data certainly will look to our members like throwing good money after bad.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is selling the members a bill of goods.  Just like they are
>>> suspecting on the website data loss.  We have not inspired confidence, and
>>> I am not about to vote to further sell our word down the river.  The
>>> ludicruousness of the proposition that a reading would mean to fire staff
>>> if my reading that surpluses need to be given priority there is as
>>> self-evident to me as the idea that we also do not need to sell ourselves
>>> into slavery as committee persons.  If it is not self-evident, then the sky
>>> is a different colour in my world.
>>>
>>> With the data loss (more accurately lack of transfer - and there is
>>> still a folfer of files from the 2006 site that were supposed to be
>>> restored and not) and what I and enough others see as mismanagement of the
>>> website transfer, if I were an affiliate, I would not be entrusting my
>>> affiliate's email to a natonal-provided service.  Let's get the website
>>> straightened out and then perhaps other investments will be in order.
>>>
>>> And certainly that is not a bigger priority than already incurred debt.
>>> There is ALWAYS something great to spend money on.  We are selling the
>>> efforts of future Libertarians just like our country is selling the future
>>> of today's children.  No.  I will not do that.  If we can't elimiante our
>>> own debt we have zero business thinking we can tell others that is how they
>>> have to live.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My contention is that there may be other priorities upon which a
>>>> portion of the proposed $207,500 spending on the office mortgage should be
>>>> spent. I included the examples of Ballot Access and IT Infrastructure.
>>>> Your contention is that the priority must be given to the paying off of
>>>> the mortgage, because the Policy Manual says so.
>>>>
>>>> The Policy Manual states in Section 2.03.17:
>>>>
>>>> "It shall be the goal of the LNC to completely pay off the office
>>>> mortgage *as quickly as possible*, and in any case prior to the due
>>>> date of the 10-year balloon payment. Towards that end the LNC shall budget
>>>> a minimum of $60,000 in each odd-numbered year to pay down the principal
>>>> until the mortgage balance is zero. Fundraising for this specific purpose
>>>> shall be made a high priority. This provision does not preclude additional
>>>> fundraising and prepayments in even-numbered years. "  (emphasis added)
>>>>
>>>> The portion of the policy manual highlighted above seems to be that to
>>>> which you reference when you made your statement.
>>>>
>>>> Additionally, you state that you are unwilling to give higher priority
>>>> to the IT Infrastructure, stating that the infrastructure was a decade old
>>>> when the building was purchased.
>>>>
>>>> First, the infrastructure was less out-of-date than it is now. It
>>>> continues to get further and further out of date.  We continue to use hacks
>>>> and other non-standard practices to accomplish goals with the existing
>>>> infrastructure, rather than upgrade.  There is a real cost to this.
>>>> LPedia's decay is an easy example of what happens when things don't get
>>>> upgraded - upgrading MediaWiki to a newer version is incredibly painful at
>>>> this point.
>>>>
>>>> Second, IT infrastructure upgrades would actually make staff and
>>>> affiliate parties more productive. Imagine if LP National could, as part of
>>>> a broader upgrade, provide basic services to affiliate parties such as
>>>> email services. Instead of 52 organizations all trying to figure out how to
>>>> manage email, we could upgrade National's email infrastructure and provide
>>>> email services to all 51 affiliates.
>>>>
>>>> Third, there are real security issues that do need to be addressed.
>>>> There are security patches released almost every single day. We're
>>>> approximately 3000 days behind on security patches on a few pieces of our
>>>> infrastructure.
>>>>
>>>> Now, if we are to forgo some projects with clear benefits, like IT
>>>> Infrastructure improvements, because the Policy Manual tells us we must pay
>>>> down the mortgage before all other things, then what is ludicrous with
>>>> suggesting using the staff budget for further paying down the mortgage?
>>>>
>>>> Certainly, I think it's a bad idea.  But I also think foregoing other
>>>> important tasks in favor of paying down the mortgage is also a bad idea.
>>>>
>>>> That's just my $0.02 on the matter.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2016-11-27 22:35, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No frankly that is a ludicrous interpretation. And paying any more
>>>> interest that we have to in member money (OPM) is even moreso.  This is why
>>>> members view this body with distrust.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just pointing out that there are other items that also need
>>>>> attention.  As an alternate, I probably won't get a vote anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we are to take the strictest interpretation of 2.03.17, we should
>>>>> lay off all of the staff and put their salaries toward the building debt as
>>>>> well. However, I would suggest that doing so would be a foolish approach.
>>>>>
>>>>> Putting off IT infrastructure upgrades is only going to make the
>>>>> inevitable more painful in the long-term.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-11-27 22:06, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Further the bequest rules make it a no-brainer in my view.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ken, while I appreciate that, our Policy Manual puts the building
>>>>>> pay-off as a priority.  We can always find an excuse to put that off.  I
>>>>>> will not.  If we are going to expect our government to follow commitments
>>>>>> and shed debt, we must.  The IT infrastructure that exists - existed at the
>>>>>> same time we got the mortgage.  We sold the idea of the mortgage to members
>>>>>> on a certain committement and vision, and I fully intend to keep it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While paying off the building faster is a great goal, we may have
>>>>>>> other priorities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Specifically, we have 12 states without ballot access at this time,
>>>>>>> and we have an IT infrastructure that's from the last century - literally.
>>>>>>> These things will take money to remedy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 19:42, David Demarest wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your plan sets a good example of fiscal responsibility for all
>>>>>>> Libertarians. I also support your higher amount.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *The War on Compulsory Authoritarian Majority Rule Cronyism Begins
>>>>>>> Now*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:33 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>; Libertarian National
>>>>>>> Committee list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Added Mortgage Payment
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That sounds like the smart plan.  Future Libertarians will thank
>>>>>>> us.  I support your higher amount.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will call your $150,000 and raise it to $207,500. I request we add
>>>>>>> 20 minutes to the December meeting agenda for a motion to make a payment on
>>>>>>> the principal on our office mortgage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The mortgage's loan rate is 4.85% with a balloon payment at ten
>>>>>>> years, which is in July 24, 2024. Robert was kind enough to furnish the
>>>>>>> attached load amortization spreadsheet. I ran five scenarios on it to get
>>>>>>> the amount of interest we will pay from December 2016 to when the balloon
>>>>>>> payment is due, and to get the amount of the balloon payment that will be
>>>>>>> due at that time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Without any more prepayments (not paying an extra $60,000 on
>>>>>>> odd-numbered years):
>>>>>>> Interest: $139,400.40
>>>>>>> Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $301,040.34
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the current policy of paying an extra $60,000 on odd-numbered
>>>>>>> years:
>>>>>>> Interest: $84,900.77
>>>>>>> Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $6,540.71
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paying an additional $207,500 in the December payment, and not
>>>>>>> paying extra in future years:
>>>>>>> Interest: $45,751.59
>>>>>>> Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $0.00
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paying an additional $150,00 in the December payment, and paying an
>>>>>>> extra $60,000 on odd-numbered years:
>>>>>>> Interest: $32,805.22
>>>>>>> Mortgage gets paid off July 2021.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paying an additional $207,500 in the December payment, and paying an
>>>>>>> extra $60,000 on odd-numbered years:
>>>>>>> Interest: $19,879.20
>>>>>>> Mortgage gets paid off May 2020.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you can see, paying $207,500 in December will eliminate having a
>>>>>>> balloon payment in 2024 and will save at least $39k in interest. If we keep
>>>>>>> the Weiner rule, it will save $65k in interest and have the mortgage paid
>>>>>>> off four years early. The targeted Reserve is the sum of all monthly
>>>>>>> occupancy, labor and governance expenses, which comes to $45,292. At the
>>>>>>> end of October, the reserve was at $415,669, so I am comfortable with
>>>>>>> paying $207,500, even if next year's budget has a large deficit. We will
>>>>>>> have new reserve number before the meeting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The trust from a bequest has $167,404. We have been taking the
>>>>>>> maximum allowable amount out each year for the general fund. A law passed
>>>>>>> December 2014 now allows national political committees to have a separate
>>>>>>> segregated building fund with its own contribution limit of three times the
>>>>>>> limit for the general fund. We have not done this before, because we needed
>>>>>>> the bequest for the general fund, but we can transfer up to $100,200 from
>>>>>>> the bequest to the building fund and use those funds toward making a
>>>>>>> payment on the mortgage principal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My preference is to pay at least $207,500 toward the mortgage
>>>>>>> principal to save on interest payments and to ensure no balloon payment. If
>>>>>>> that passes, then I would favor reducing the policy to budget an extra $60k
>>>>>>> on odd years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim Hagan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 27, 2016 8:11 AM
>>>>>>> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Added Mortgage Payment
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I intend to make a motion at our next meeting to spend a good
>>>>>>> portion of our 2016 surplus to make a payment on the principal on our
>>>>>>> office mortgage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not knowing our final numbers at this time lends some uncertainty to
>>>>>>> that number, but I would like to start the bidding at $150,000.  That
>>>>>>> amount ought to leave us in a very favorable position as to our ongoing
>>>>>>> reserve for unforeseen expenses over the next few years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone want to offer a lower/higher amount?  If so, what is
>>>>>>> your reasoning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Live Free,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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