[Lnc-business] Added Mortgage Payment

Tue Nov 29 14:00:51 EST 2016

My suggestion though would require paying the 105K (approx) during one year
(this one most likely) and then having the re-set for what we can draw from
the bequest next year.

Basically I am suggesting taking full advantage of what we can get from the
bequest to put towards this.

This would seem to satisfy a lot of issues.

Again, not saying I support but it is an alternative I thought about. It
seems (?) everyone is in agreement on the make-up we need to do from the
2015 shortfall.  And it seems like there might (?) be agreement on the 105K
from the bequest.

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have been a dissenting voice as well.  I am inclined to be positive
> towards this suggestion, but I don't want to commit myself without more
> time to think.  However, I stand by my desire to take it up after the
> budget, at which point it is possible I'd favor a larger amount than this.
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ken, I have been doing some thinking, and while I am not saying I support
>> what I am about to say, I don't oppose it, and IF there is some compromise
>> position (though with all due respect - when you say to satisfy the desires
>> of some LNC members - you so far have been the only dissenting voice and
>> are an alternate - we do not yet know what your regional representative
>> thinks on the issue), using round numbers, this one:
>>
>> We shorted 2015 by about 40K.
>> We have about 105K that we can take from the bequest that would not
>> otherwise be accessible.
>>
>> That puts us at roughly 145K which would be satisfying our prior
>> obligation AND accessing money that is not coming from any other line item
>> next year (thus not shorting any other project).
>>
>> So we were proposing paying another 55K.  If we did that, we could not
>> make any further Wiener rule payments and still pay off early with no
>> balloon.
>>
>> We could allot this 55K, not as an extra "payment" but as the 2017 Wiener
>> rule payment which we *already have to pay* if we are going to be
>> compliant.   And we would be making an extra payment this year - only it is
>> coming out of the bequest.
>> So that is a 205K payment in 2017 which does not take away from anything
>> else in extra payment.  And we would still be committed to the Wiener rule
>> payment in 2019.
>>
>> This is basically getting back to Sam's original proposal of $150K.  That
>> is the minimum I would accept in light of this information.  We are
>> obligation to do a 60K payment in 2017 - what is at issue is whether we do
>> an "additional" 60K payment.  But we could even perhaps do that - depending
>> on how the bequest rules are- we could make the 105K building fund this
>> year and exhaust the Bequest in the next year and use that generous donor's
>> money to get us more quickly out of this.  AND still fund-raise to make
>> additional payments.
>>
>> And this does not keep us from having funds for other projects.
>>
>> I am not saying this is what I support but this is a reasonable path.
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If people were looking for that amortization worksheet Daniel Wiener
>>> referenced, I dug it out of the LNC archives and attach it here.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have stated my position.  And assuming no earth-shattering new
>>>> information or argument, how I intend to vote.  Rationale already given.  I
>>>> have other motions and items that require my present attention.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Our Policy Manual also encourages specific fundraising for that
>>>>> purpose, in the same section that creates the minimums and creates
>>>>> priority.
>>>>>
>>>>> "It shall be the goal of the LNC to completely pay off the office
>>>>> mortgage as quickly as possible, and in any case prior to the due date of
>>>>> the 10-year balloon payment. Towards that end the LNC shall budget a
>>>>> minimum of $60,000 in each odd-numbered year to pay down the principal
>>>>> until the mortgage balance is zero. *Fundraising for this specific
>>>>> purpose shall be made a high priority.* This provision does not
>>>>> preclude *additional fundraising* and prepayments in even-numbered
>>>>> years. " (emphasis added)
>>>>>
>>>>> The Policy Manual specifically requires that we give high priority
>>>>> to raising money specifically to pay off the building.  Have we done so
>>>>> this year? Do we have a plan to do so next year?
>>>>>
>>>>> The particular section specifically mentions specific fundraising
>>>>> twice. While I think it is a reasonable assumption, based on the wording in
>>>>> the manual, that a 1-for-1 match would be sufficient, I proposed a 2-for-1
>>>>> because I do think it's important to pay down the mortgage and felt it
>>>>> might be an acceptable compromise.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we can create some priority - staff should exist - then we've
>>>>> already established that there's a balance to be struck.  With that
>>>>> established, I believe that we can best comply with the Policy Manual and
>>>>> with the desires of multiple LNC members by having the 2-for-1 matching
>>>>> scenario.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if the membership wants this to be a high-priority project, then
>>>>> certainly they would put their money specifically toward that effort, would
>>>>> they not?
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-11-28 09:10, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No it doesn't.  We have the 100K from the bequest that isn't part of
>>>>> our fundraising windfall.  We have the deficit from the last payment to
>>>>> catch up- putting us st around 150K.  Our policy manual - urges us- on our
>>>>> own- to get ahead.  Putting the extra amount ahead is what is reasonable
>>>>> and what I will be supporting.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one has suggested there is not money for other things and this
>>>>> insures saved money for other things.  We can do a fundraiser next year
>>>>> with our fiscally responsible choice in Dec as a selling point centerpiece.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess it depends on who your target audience is.  When I walk into
>>>>>> a shop and their IT infrastructure is a decade old, my immediate thought is
>>>>>> that the company doesn't have their priorities in order.  Certainly, I'm
>>>>>> biased in that regard.  Smaller manufacturing businesses are notorious from
>>>>>> being way out of date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Democratic Party provides websites for their candidates for a
>>>>>> nominal fee. Why?  Because that way campaigns can focus on issues and real
>>>>>> politicking, not spending excessive amounts of time on back-office work.
>>>>>> They're out knocking on doors and building their base.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Republican Party, through the Kochs, is building a massive
>>>>>> database of voters for their Big Data project. Why?  Because that way they
>>>>>> know what issues drive voters. They can micro-target messaging, making
>>>>>> their outreach and GOTV more efficient.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Libertarian Party currently has a mailing list that sends
>>>>>> everything to a Google list so that people can subscribe to the Google list
>>>>>> to watch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we are to appeal to the Millenial generation, we can't be running
>>>>>> on a 286 in a basement.  Once upon a time, the LP was ahead of the game
>>>>>> when it came to technology.  We have stagnated and let our competition
>>>>>> overtake us. If our primary political opponents are crushing us on the
>>>>>> phones and at the door, how do we ever expect to win?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I became chair of LPKY in 2007, we had no IT infrastructure. We
>>>>>> had a website that was put in place by the previous chair, that cost too
>>>>>> much money, was poorly organized, and didn't do the job.  Thankfully, the
>>>>>> situation isn't exactly parallel - while there are problems, we don't have
>>>>>> to start over from scratch. But it will take time and investment to get the
>>>>>> website to where it needs to be. That will happen.  Likewise, other parts
>>>>>> of our operation need to have similar focus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm all about paying down debt. I absolutely love it, conceptually. I
>>>>>> just don't want to see us cripple the party in 2017 in order to achieve the
>>>>>> goal of paying off that debt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So here's what I'd propose, if we want to put over $200K toward the
>>>>>> mortgage. Let's do a 2-for-1 donation match. We put $60K in the budget, as
>>>>>> required. Subtracted from the proposed $207,500, that leaves $147,500. For
>>>>>> ease of numbers, let's round that up to $50,000.  So, if we can raise
>>>>>> $50,000 specifically for paying off the building, we will put $100,000 as
>>>>>> the match.  Let's let our membership determine the projects on which they
>>>>>> want us to spend the money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does that seem reasonable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2016-11-28 08:31, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would further note- if we make this payment now and make NO
>>>>>> additional payments (which I do not support) because the 60k is needed next
>>>>>> year (odd numbered year) - we will have freed future Libertarians from the
>>>>>> balloon payment AND an amount in interest that would pay a good chunk of a
>>>>>> ballot access drive.  In every scenario, this is the right choice.  And we
>>>>>> would have only two more policy manual extra payments - 2017 and 2019- and
>>>>>> the mortgage would be paid in full just by the 2020 election- a fantastic
>>>>>> example for others.  We will have set up the next LNC for success.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And our fiscal responsibility can be used in our new member retention
>>>>>> program as they can trust we are wise with funds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no proposal to spend "all" of the discretionary monies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And Hagan pointed out this is a way we can have access to the bulk
>>>>>>> of a bequest that the donor certainly wished we had access to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bequest money isn't available in that amount now for this OR
>>>>>>> that.  It is available for this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hagan's last option is the most prudent and responsible and does not
>>>>>>> require anything like an "all" scenario and doesn't burden the next decade
>>>>>>> of Libertarians with interest that the policy manual urged us to avoid in
>>>>>>> making more than the 60K extra- and here with the bequest we have the
>>>>>>> opportunity to access over 100K and have an unexpected windfall in new
>>>>>>> members.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If any other priority is given as well - new member retention must
>>>>>>> be up there as mentioned in emails leading up to the Sept meeting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the website - well members were told that in 2006 too, and
>>>>>>> that data is still waiting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, November 28, 2016, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My goal isn't to pull something over on people.  If nothing else,
>>>>>>>> know that I am open with my personal thoughts on matters -- as you may have
>>>>>>>> noticed -- and I'm not trying to hide anything. I'm a Libertarian; I don't
>>>>>>>> believe in using force or fraud.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are other IT issues beyond the website that I dare not
>>>>>>>> mention on a public list; things that range from embarrassing to disabling.
>>>>>>>> I'll be more than happy to discuss these issues in person in December.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The new IT committee is taking over from a previous committee with
>>>>>>>> an entirely different personnel makeup.  The new IT Committee, such as it
>>>>>>>> exists at the moment, is far from ignoring the calls for repairs and
>>>>>>>> changes to the website. This is a priority of everyone involved.  This is
>>>>>>>> currently being done under staff direction, and they are working on it.
>>>>>>>> The website continues to be populated with important information, and will
>>>>>>>> continue to evolve and have more information added/returned, in addition to
>>>>>>>> other important website changes. (Ironically, I was trying to find out
>>>>>>>> exactly when the building was purchased and couldn't because that
>>>>>>>> information wasn't brought over. Heh.)  In sum, the website will get fixed
>>>>>>>> to the best of our ability.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But if all the discretionary income gets spent on the mortgage
>>>>>>>> (which is not the worst way to spend it) then there won't be an opportunity
>>>>>>>> to get other fixes in place.  And that's just IT.  I know there are Ballot
>>>>>>>> Access drives in our future in 2017 - Arkansas and Ohio, specifically - and
>>>>>>>> those won't be cheap.  Arkansas will be about $37,500 and Ohio will be
>>>>>>>> about $255,000, based on 2016 validity rates and assuming no volunteer
>>>>>>>> signatures or other sources of funding (which there will be, of course).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my opinion, we need to really leverage 2016 to get a
>>>>>>>> record-breaking amount of fundraising in the "after-year".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 23:26, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that wasn't the entirety of my argument, but I am not getting
>>>>>>>> into another LNC spitting match.  Interested members and readers can go
>>>>>>>> through my comments and see what I said- the policy manual was a big part,
>>>>>>>> but a part and not the entirety.  It is indeed less out of date then than
>>>>>>>> now.  And something obviously know as the passage of time and aging is a
>>>>>>>> known quantity.  As is debt and interest, something Libertarians are
>>>>>>>> supposed to model fiscal responsibilities for.  And having not transferred
>>>>>>>> 83% of our data certainly will look to our members like throwing good money
>>>>>>>> after bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is selling the members a bill of goods.  Just like they are
>>>>>>>> suspecting on the website data loss.  We have not inspired confidence, and
>>>>>>>> I am not about to vote to further sell our word down the river.  The
>>>>>>>> ludicruousness of the proposition that a reading would mean to fire staff
>>>>>>>> if my reading that surpluses need to be given priority there is as
>>>>>>>> self-evident to me as the idea that we also do not need to sell ourselves
>>>>>>>> into slavery as committee persons.  If it is not self-evident, then the sky
>>>>>>>> is a different colour in my world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With the data loss (more accurately lack of transfer - and there is
>>>>>>>> still a folfer of files from the 2006 site that were supposed to be
>>>>>>>> restored and not) and what I and enough others see as mismanagement of the
>>>>>>>> website transfer, if I were an affiliate, I would not be entrusting my
>>>>>>>> affiliate's email to a natonal-provided service.  Let's get the website
>>>>>>>> straightened out and then perhaps other investments will be in order.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And certainly that is not a bigger priority than already incurred
>>>>>>>> debt.  There is ALWAYS something great to spend money on.  We are selling
>>>>>>>> the efforts of future Libertarians just like our country is selling the
>>>>>>>> future of today's children.  No.  I will not do that.  If we can't
>>>>>>>> elimiante our own debt we have zero business thinking we can tell others
>>>>>>>> that is how they have to live.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Ken Moellman <
>>>>>>>> ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My contention is that there may be other priorities upon which a
>>>>>>>>> portion of the proposed $207,500 spending on the office mortgage should be
>>>>>>>>> spent. I included the examples of Ballot Access and IT Infrastructure.
>>>>>>>>> Your contention is that the priority must be given to the paying
>>>>>>>>> off of the mortgage, because the Policy Manual says so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Policy Manual states in Section 2.03.17:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "It shall be the goal of the LNC to completely pay off the office
>>>>>>>>> mortgage *as quickly as possible*, and in any case prior to the
>>>>>>>>> due date of the 10-year balloon payment. Towards that end the LNC shall
>>>>>>>>> budget a minimum of $60,000 in each odd-numbered year to pay down the
>>>>>>>>> principal until the mortgage balance is zero. Fundraising for this specific
>>>>>>>>> purpose shall be made a high priority. This provision does not preclude
>>>>>>>>> additional fundraising and prepayments in even-numbered years. "  (emphasis
>>>>>>>>> added)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The portion of the policy manual highlighted above seems to be
>>>>>>>>> that to which you reference when you made your statement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Additionally, you state that you are unwilling to give higher
>>>>>>>>> priority to the IT Infrastructure, stating that the infrastructure was a
>>>>>>>>> decade old when the building was purchased.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First, the infrastructure was less out-of-date than it is now. It
>>>>>>>>> continues to get further and further out of date.  We continue to use hacks
>>>>>>>>> and other non-standard practices to accomplish goals with the existing
>>>>>>>>> infrastructure, rather than upgrade.  There is a real cost to this.
>>>>>>>>> LPedia's decay is an easy example of what happens when things don't get
>>>>>>>>> upgraded - upgrading MediaWiki to a newer version is incredibly painful at
>>>>>>>>> this point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Second, IT infrastructure upgrades would actually make staff and
>>>>>>>>> affiliate parties more productive. Imagine if LP National could, as part of
>>>>>>>>> a broader upgrade, provide basic services to affiliate parties such as
>>>>>>>>> email services. Instead of 52 organizations all trying to figure out how to
>>>>>>>>> manage email, we could upgrade National's email infrastructure and provide
>>>>>>>>> email services to all 51 affiliates.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Third, there are real security issues that do need to be
>>>>>>>>> addressed.  There are security patches released almost every single day.
>>>>>>>>> We're approximately 3000 days behind on security patches on a few pieces of
>>>>>>>>> our infrastructure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, if we are to forgo some projects with clear benefits, like IT
>>>>>>>>> Infrastructure improvements, because the Policy Manual tells us we must pay
>>>>>>>>> down the mortgage before all other things, then what is ludicrous with
>>>>>>>>> suggesting using the staff budget for further paying down the mortgage?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Certainly, I think it's a bad idea.  But I also think foregoing
>>>>>>>>> other important tasks in favor of paying down the mortgage is also a bad
>>>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's just my $0.02 on the matter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 22:35, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No frankly that is a ludicrous interpretation. And paying any more
>>>>>>>>> interest that we have to in member money (OPM) is even moreso.  This is why
>>>>>>>>> members view this body with distrust.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Ken Moellman <
>>>>>>>>> ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm just pointing out that there are other items that also need
>>>>>>>>>> attention.  As an alternate, I probably won't get a vote anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If we are to take the strictest interpretation of 2.03.17, we
>>>>>>>>>> should lay off all of the staff and put their salaries toward the building
>>>>>>>>>> debt as well. However, I would suggest that doing so would be a
>>>>>>>>>> foolish approach.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Putting off IT infrastructure upgrades is only going to make the
>>>>>>>>>> inevitable more painful in the long-term.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 22:06, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Further the bequest rules make it a no-brainer in my view.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ken, while I appreciate that, our Policy Manual puts the
>>>>>>>>>>> building pay-off as a priority.  We can always find an excuse to put that
>>>>>>>>>>> off.  I will not.  If we are going to expect our government to follow
>>>>>>>>>>> commitments and shed debt, we must.  The IT infrastructure that exists -
>>>>>>>>>>> existed at the same time we got the mortgage.  We sold the idea of the
>>>>>>>>>>> mortgage to members on a certain committement and vision, and I fully
>>>>>>>>>>> intend to keep it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Ken Moellman <
>>>>>>>>>>> ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> All -
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> While paying off the building faster is a great goal, we may
>>>>>>>>>>>> have other priorities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specifically, we have 12 states without ballot access at this
>>>>>>>>>>>> time, and we have an IT infrastructure that's from the last century -
>>>>>>>>>>>> literally.  These things will take money to remedy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just something to keep in mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-11-27 19:42, David Demarest wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your plan sets a good example of fiscal responsibility for all
>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarians. I also support your higher amount.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *The War on Compulsory Authoritarian Majority Rule Cronyism
>>>>>>>>>>>> Begins Now*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 27, 2016 4:33 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>; Libertarian National
>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Added Mortgage Payment
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That sounds like the smart plan.  Future Libertarians will
>>>>>>>>>>>> thank us.  I support your higher amount.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Tim Hagan <
>>>>>>>>>>>> timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will call your $150,000 and raise it to $207,500. I request
>>>>>>>>>>>> we add 20 minutes to the December meeting agenda for a motion to make a
>>>>>>>>>>>> payment on the principal on our office mortgage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The mortgage's loan rate is 4.85% with a balloon payment at ten
>>>>>>>>>>>> years, which is in July 24, 2024. Robert was kind enough to furnish the
>>>>>>>>>>>> attached load amortization spreadsheet. I ran five scenarios on it to get
>>>>>>>>>>>> the amount of interest we will pay from December 2016 to when the balloon
>>>>>>>>>>>> payment is due, and to get the amount of the balloon payment that will be
>>>>>>>>>>>> due at that time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Without any more prepayments (not paying an extra $60,000 on
>>>>>>>>>>>> odd-numbered years):
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $139,400.40
>>>>>>>>>>>> Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $301,040.34
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> With the current policy of paying an extra $60,000 on
>>>>>>>>>>>> odd-numbered years:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $84,900.77
>>>>>>>>>>>> Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $6,540.71
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Paying an additional $207,500 in the December payment, and not
>>>>>>>>>>>> paying extra in future years:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $45,751.59
>>>>>>>>>>>> Balloon payment due 7/24/2024: $0.00
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Paying an additional $150,00 in the December payment, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> paying an extra $60,000 on odd-numbered years:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $32,805.22
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mortgage gets paid off July 2021.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Paying an additional $207,500 in the December payment, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> paying an extra $60,000 on odd-numbered years:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interest: $19,879.20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mortgage gets paid off May 2020.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As you can see, paying $207,500 in December will eliminate
>>>>>>>>>>>> having a balloon payment in 2024 and will save at least $39k in interest.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If we keep the Weiner rule, it will save $65k in interest and have the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mortgage paid off four years early. The targeted Reserve is the sum of all
>>>>>>>>>>>> monthly occupancy, labor and governance expenses, which comes to $45,292.
>>>>>>>>>>>> At the end of October, the reserve was at $415,669, so I am comfortable
>>>>>>>>>>>> with paying $207,500, even if next year's budget has a large deficit. We
>>>>>>>>>>>> will have new reserve number before the meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The trust from a bequest has $167,404. We have been taking the
>>>>>>>>>>>> maximum allowable amount out each year for the general fund. A law passed
>>>>>>>>>>>> December 2014 now allows national political committees to have a separate
>>>>>>>>>>>> segregated building fund with its own contribution limit of three times the
>>>>>>>>>>>> limit for the general fund. We have not done this before, because we needed
>>>>>>>>>>>> the bequest for the general fund, but we can transfer up to $100,200 from
>>>>>>>>>>>> the bequest to the building fund and use those funds toward making a
>>>>>>>>>>>> payment on the mortgage principal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My preference is to pay at least $207,500 toward the mortgage
>>>>>>>>>>>> principal to save on interest payments and to ensure no balloon payment. If
>>>>>>>>>>>> that passes, then I would favor reducing the policy to budget an extra $60k
>>>>>>>>>>>> on odd years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Hagan
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 27, 2016 8:11 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Added Mortgage Payment
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I intend to make a motion at our next meeting to spend a good
>>>>>>>>>>>> portion of our 2016 surplus to make a payment on the principal on our
>>>>>>>>>>>> office mortgage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not knowing our final numbers at this time lends some
>>>>>>>>>>>> uncertainty to that number, but I would like to start the bidding at
>>>>>>>>>>>> $150,000.  That amount ought to leave us in a very favorable position as to
>>>>>>>>>>>> our ongoing reserve for unforeseen expenses over the next few years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone want to offer a lower/higher amount?  If so, what
>>>>>>>>>>>> is your reasoning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Live Free,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam Goldstein
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Member at Large
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 317-850-0726 Phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 317-582-1773 Fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
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<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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