[Lnc-business] EFC Update and Extension

Wed Jan 11 22:13:42 EST 2017

OR... they just get the bids and we hear what they have to say...no motion needed.  It's information.  We are not spending any money.  Also I withdraw sponsorship on that other motion cause It didn't accomplish what we needed to happen.

Daniel Hayes
LNC At Large Member

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> On Jan 11, 2017, at 8:23 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I believe Alicia is starting an email ballot, either way, without objection or vote takes ten days.  
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> -Caryn Ann
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>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 7:19 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>> There is no reason for a special committee, in my opinion, to have a name.  Nor is any nickname worthy of extended discussion.  
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>> If we have this much trouble doing something we all agree on (waiting longer for bids), I shudder to picture the first Libertarian Congress.  
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>> Alternatively, we could just keep running in circles about the extension until, oh, January 30 or so.
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>> Joshua A. Katz
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>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Demarest, David P. <David.Demarest at firstdata.com> wrote:
>>> Since we are considering Alicia’s wise suggested amendment to the original motion at the December LNC meeting, this would be a good opportunity to include in the amendment a clear, concise name for the committee agreeable to all. Then we can get on with the more important challenge of getting stuff done.
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>>> To start the ball rolling, I suggest “Messaging Technique Committee” (MTC) or “Messaging Mode Committee” (MMC) as an improvement on the present “Name Unknown Committee” (NUC). Others?
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>>> Caryn Ann, I understand and agree with your concerns about committee scope creep and backdoor circumvention of the principle and message content approval responsibilities of the Platform Committee and convention delegates. There is wide-spread disagreement within all levels of the LP on whether LP outreach message content is or should be based on platform content that is too timid, too bold or as many variations in between as there are individual Libertarians. However, many would agree that the voice of the LP would benefit from a major overhaul of our messaging technique strategy that has an undeniably poor track record.
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>>> Like you, I am inclined to think that passive-aggressive attempts to promote a false-dichotomy Libertarian conflict between principles and getting stuff done  is both divisive and subversive to our LP platform, messaging strategy and freedom goals. At the same time, blind allegiance to static historical imperatives does a disservice to our intellectual abilities. Reality suggests that LP consensus on Platform disagreements is not likely to occur in the foreseeable future, with or without a “night of the long knives” strategy proposed by a small cadre of “Libertarian” Machiavellian authoritarians with latent statist motivations.
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>>> Institutions, by their very nature as groups of individuals, suffer from inertia and internal disagreements. Institutions are great focal points but their size and diversity often results in diminished productivity returns unless they are dominated by top-down dictatorial authoritarians that offend the liberty-oriented sensibilities of most Libertarians. Accordingly, I propose that we embrace our internal institutional disagreements and leverage our diversity to refocus our Libertarian institutions as inspirational focal points designed to lead by example, empower and motivate individual Libertarians to strike out on their own and do the bulk of getting Libertarian stuff done.
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>>> I love the LP and LNC as inspirational focal points and gatherings. There I can network with talented action-oriented Libertarians with an admirable variety of persuasions. That diversity is directly responsible for a wealth of food-for-thought ideas on bottom-up personal opportunities to move the needle in the direction of freedom. Those ideas naturally lead to self-starter collaborations within smaller groups of like-minded Libertarians that share similar principles and can get Libertarian stuff done without institutional distractions.
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>>> One exciting purpose of the upcoming October 20-22 2017 Omaha Libertarian Strategy UnConvention is to facilitate a dialog on how to embrace Libertarian institutional disagreements and inspire individual Libertarians to emerge from their institutional cocoon comfort zones and seize the initiative to accelerate getting Libertarian stuff done.
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>>> Thoughts?
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>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
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>>> LNC Region 6 Representative
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>>> Cell:      402-981-6469
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>>> Home: 402-493-0873
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>>> Office: 402-222-7207
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>>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos [mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com] 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:04 AM
>>> To: Libertarian National Committee list
>>> Cc: Demarest, David P.
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>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] EFC Update and Extension
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>>> I too agree (I am not a co-sponsor but just giving my thoughts) to Alicia's points on the wording.
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>>> Alicia also touched upon an objection I had early on.  The Committee name does not reflect what was passed or what the Committee is actually doing in the narrow confines of what was passed.  I continue to object to expansion via naming.  
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>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> In Liberty,
>>> 
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> 
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
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>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
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>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 7:47 AM, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
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>>> I agree with Alicia’s thoughtful suggestion on how to make the “EFC” motion simple and technically correct.
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>>> Trent, Larry and co-sponsors: Thoughts?
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>>>   
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>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
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>>> LNC Region 6 Representative
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>>> Cell:      402-981-6469
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>>> Home: 402-493-0873
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>>> Office: 402-222-7207
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>>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Alicia Mattson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:11 AM
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>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] EFC Update and Extension
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>>> There are 5 co-sponsors of this motion, which is more than enough to sponsor an email ballot, however there are two technical problems with the wording, one of which is fairly important to note.  I want to make sure the co-sponsors are aware of this before I send it out for a vote.
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>>> 1)  This motion references "EFC", but if someone is not reading these threads as we are, and they're just reading our minutes later, they'll have no clue what this motion is talking about.  At the time we created the committee, we didn't specify any name for the committee at all, but it was under an agenda heading about reviewing the 2016 campaign.  Following the meeting when I needed to have staff add this committee to our website, I merely had them designate it as the Committee to Solicit Bids for Reviewing 2016 Campaign.  That way it would be easy to find in our minutes what that committee was.
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>>> The committee members themselves nicknamed it the Empowered Future Committee (? I think ?), but that name appears nowhere in our minutes, nor does the acronym EFC.
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>>> The name confusion will will leave readers in the dark about what it was this motion did.
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>>> 2)  The bigger technical issue with this motion is that it actually imposes new requirements on the committee and doesn't accurately represent what the date in the original motion was for.  This wording says nothing about changing the due date for the bids, which is what the January 10th date was.  However, the wording now says the committee is to present us a report by the date of January 30, though the original motion required no report from the committee to the LNC in January.  If we mean to make the bid deadline January 30, the committee would presumably need some time after the bid submission deadline to come up with any recommendations and make any sort of report back to us about the bids.
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>>> Is that what the co-sponsors intended to do?  Impose a new reporting requirement on an unreasonable time frame?
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>>> My suggestion to fix both issues is that you take Joshua's idea to merely amend the motion we adopted in December to change the date, and leave the rest of the wording alone.  (Okay, technically Joshua said just to change the "1" to a "3", but this representation is just a little more readable.)  Amend the motion we adopted in December as follows:
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>>> "that the Libertarian National Committee establish a committee to take bids from political consultants for the task of extensively reviewing and making recommendations for the Libertarian Party’s messaging (and modes of messaging), inclusion in the debates, fundraising and campaign finance, campaign mechanics, and state and local affiliates. Said agency will agree to present their findings to the public before December of 2017. The committee will take bids until the 10th30th of January."
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>>> I need to hear from the co-sponsors what you want to do.
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>>> -Alicia
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>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Demarest, David P. <David.Demarest at firstdata.com> wrote:
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>>> I am seeking co-sponsors for the following motion:
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>>> Extend deadline from 1/10/2017 to 1/30/2017 for EFC presentation to LNC of report on political consultant bids, analysis and recommendations.
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>>> Thoughts?
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>>> 2017 Omaha Libertarian Strategy UnConvention Oct 20-22
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>>>  
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>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
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>>> LNC Region 6 Representative
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>>> Cell:      402-981-6469
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>>> Home: 402-493-0873
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>>> Office: 402-222-7207
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>>>  
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>>> From: David Demarest [mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net] 
>>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 11:02 PM
>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> Cc: Demarest, David P.; 'David Demarest'
>>> Subject: RE: [Lnc-business] EFC Update and Extension
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>>>  
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>>> Larry or Trent,
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>>> If you can provide the desired wording, I will offer the motion unless someone has already done so.
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>>> Thoughts?
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>>>   
>>> 
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>> 
>>> LNC Region 6 Representative
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>>> Cell:      402-981-6469
>>> 
>>> Home: 402-493-0873
>>> 
>>> Office: 402-222-7207
>>> 
>>>  
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>>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Katz
>>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2017 7:35 PM
>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] EFC Update and Extension
>>> 
>>>  
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>>> My recollection is that we chose January 10 so that the bids would be presented on my birthday.  I'm disappointed we won't be able to receive them on that auspicious occasion.  
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>>> I will cosponsor a motion with Sam, however, to amend our previously adopted motion by substituting a 3 for the 1 in "10."
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>>> Joshua A. Katz
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>>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com> wrote:
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>>> Hi LNC Team,
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>>> Happy New Year.
>>> 
>>> We have found four possible vendors for proposals. Each has our request and is scheduled to provide us with a plan/proposal by the end of this week.
>>> 
>>> We will whittle these down and perhaps have a Q & A and/or a 2nd round before selecting 2 or 3 of them to present (heir plans with details) to the LNC.
>>> 
>>> As I mentioned in a previous note, we will need to extend our deadline.  It was challenging to get the right vendors who are the right size, with the right backgrounds, that are willing to help us with flexible pricing options. And when you add on the Holiday Season, this was even tougher.
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>>> Therefore, with respect, the EFC requests an extension to January 30th to confidently be able to present options to the LNC.
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>>> --
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>>> Larry
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